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submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Florida is on the verge of passing one of the nation's most restrictive bans on minors' use of social media after the state Senate passed a bill Thursday that would keep children under the age of 16 off popular platforms regardless of parental approval.

The measure now goes back to the state House, where the speaker has made the issue his top priority during the legislative session that ends March 8. Still, critics have pointed to similar efforts in other states that have been blocked by courts.

The bill targets any social media site that tracks user activity, allows children to upload material and interact with others, and uses addictive features designed to cause excessive or compulsive use. Supporters point to rising suicide rates among children, cyberbullying and predators using social media to prey on kids.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 81 points 2 years ago

I can't get over how this "limited government" party has gone from supporting parental rights and promoting family values to becoming fascists.

To be clear, there's a ton of good to be said about preventing kids from using social media. Still, this should be up to the parents and, imo, all parents should limit or restrict it.

Isn't this same as the cigarette and alcohol ban for minors, I hear you ask? No. Alcohol and cigarettes can be purchased from a shop. The government isn't explicitly telling parents the kids can't consume them, it's banning the sale to minors. Social media and cell phones aren't really something a 14 year old can get at a store or happen upon at a party. So, if smoking was legal and the parent restricted their 14 year old from smoking, it wouldn't be too difficult for the kid to get a pack of their own. Social media is different. And shouldn't involve government restrictions. Because, how the F is the government going to oversee and reprimand this?

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago

how the F is the government going to oversee and reprimand this?

By requiring the platforms to verify the age of their users with identity checks and government ID. I'd bet the 16 cutoff age is because that's the age when teens get either driver's licenses or state ID cards.

Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with protecting kids. It's entire aim is to tie online accounts to real life users.

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

The thing is online access can happen anywhere and because hardware is firmly in the hands of the user, the user controls the dissemination of the data. There's plenty of AI out there that can generate valid driver licenses with complete PDF417 barcodes related to the state in question.

There's no way Florida is going to commit the required funds it would take to police every single aspect. And social media sure as shit isn't going to bend over and have that policing thrown onto to them freely. At some point Florida will require telephone carriers and ISP to play ball to some degree and then POOF, you're now in Federal territory.

That's why all this state level law making is so bunk. It's not a problem that can be solved by just saying "Oh, well <16 yo cannot get on." Unless the State has some really deep pockets to invest in their own technology, Good Luck playing wack-a-mole.

Additionally, there's zero ways I would be scanning a driver's license into some random website. Not with how every other day they leak massive amounts of information. So a lot of these states start getting what pornhub and what not are doing, "Oh you're from Utah? Okay, well I guess you're paying for a VPN for your porn." And that's ultimately what happens. Everyone just starts using a VPN because the State wanted to pass some "token" law to look like they were doing something.

It's all people ignorant of how technology works attempting to legislate technology. They are never going to be successful in any of this, but I guess whatever plays well for your base.

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Then they can very easily create a registry of whatever they want. Someone put pronouns in their bio that don't match their ID? On a list. Someone signed up for a dating app with their government ID and they're looking for same-sex partners? On a list. It doesn't even have to stop there, though that's definitely where it's starting. Say on social media that you're am atheist? On a list. Use your social media presence to criticize the government? You guessed it, on a list.

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[-] orbit@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Simple, it's not really about the kids, it's about control of the internet.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

imo, all parents should limit or restrict it.

In general, perhaps—but in this case, restricting kids from social media will just increase their level of exposure to Florida.

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 59 points 2 years ago

This is a plot by Christian groomers to isolate their victims

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

It also cuts kids off from voices of reason that might contradict their religious and conservative indoctrination.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

And prevent adults from criticising elected officials anonymously. That's the real play.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

Just thought I'd point out that a queer kid with religious parents has an opportunity to find other queer kids and allies via social media.

Should social media do more to ensure child safety? Sure. Is that the reason for Florida doing this? Florida caring about child welfare? What do you think?

[-] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I think it is age discrimination and about collecting more data. If they really cared children, they could ban collecting everyone's data.

[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 44 points 2 years ago

They don't want their kids to be able to figure out how fucked Florida is.

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

I love the party of “small government” fighting to control what websites your children can visit. You know it’s the same people that spent all of 2020 and 2021 screaming about how they shouldn’t be forced to wear a mask or get a vaccine.

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[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

My immediate reaction was.. hmm, fuck it, protect the kids, I can get onboard.... And then I remembered the lonely parts of my childhood being better because of irc, BBSs, icq, aol warez groups, etc. "but it's a different world now"... Is it though? Now we have browser history and more forensics. Old Internet was really fucked up. For God's sake, we could get Faces of Death in the video store before we were 12, and kids had playboy on the bus. The bullying thing is worse for sure. Online was a place for the kids who got bullied to get away. Now it's a bullhorn. Actually conflicted on this.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago

"Florida gets closer to becoming a top market for VPNs"

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly VPNs are getting pretty shitty lately. Some sites have done complete bans on them.

[-] GluWu@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just don't use those sites. They have nothing I actually need. I'll find out somewhere else or just forget it.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

Then they'll create a state-funded youth social media platform moderated by Matt Gaetz

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Can't believe I'm gonna say this but...good job Florida?

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'm not used to this emotion either.

[-] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And I'm sure this won't be like those "click here if you are over 18" buttons that I definitely never clicked when I was underage. Nope. We all know kids aren't rebellious.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

And they definitely wouldn't lie about their birth date to make an account

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[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

Because that's what young people need, more ways to be excluded from society and isolated.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Exceedingly rare Florida W

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[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I think they underestimate how capable kids are of making their own damn platforms. With blackjack and hookers.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

This is Gen Alpha we are talking about. They have displayed less IT/programming/computer literacy awareness than even Gen Z. There will have to be a new computer Renaissance era to pop up, otherwise they are going to have to ask their Gen Y/X family to do it.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

And just how do they intend to enforce this?

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Facebook is already requiring photo ID verification in order to unlock your account when it thinks you're a bot. They could just do this for all users and then it's at least a pain in the ass

[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

it's so, so sad what's happened to Florida in the last 4 years.

[-] fsr1967@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

it's so, so ~~sad~~ infuriating what's happened to Florida in the last 4 years.

FTFY

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[-] FlordaMan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Wait… a bill from Florida that isn’t malicious? Someone pinch me.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago
[-] FlordaMan@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Oh shit, I misread. Thought it banned social media from implementing addicting algorithms. Whoopsie

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Supporters point to rising suicide rates among children, cyberbullying and predators using social media to prey on kids.

That isn't the reason for this.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago

They just don't want teens communicating so they don't tell their friends when they get SAed

[-] RoverRacecar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Wtf? What kind of conclusionsis that?

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[-] aPirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I see a chance of Lemmy and mastodon becoming a lot more popular. Plus a spike in vpn useage. All they're doing is encouraging people to get clever and circumvent those rules. Fuck Florida

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago

Right for only a second?

Young children should have limited social media access

TICK

So we need to ban anyone from accessing the internet without a government-issued ID

TOCK

and we look forward to tying everything a person does on the internet to their government-issued ID!

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