“I would estimate that the entire fediverse is developed off of the backs of maybe, at best, 100 engineers,” she said. “All of whom are either low paid, underpaid, or unpaid, who are trying to build software, and at the same time, are supporting the userbase of monthly active users in the range of 1.1 million to 7.4 million.”
Transcription-Kevin Durant meme, "LIKE 100 PEOPLE:"..."Y'ALL THE REAL MVPS"
My respect goes to them
I reported a server where the users harassed, both online and offline, a trans woman who later killed herself. Then they made memes about her death. Discords 'safety team' suggested I talk to the server admin (who was part of the abuse) and closed the ticket.
They only understand when lawyers talk to them.
That's disgusting.
It was a server for an irl streamer so I expected it to be toxic. I did not expect that level of toxicity. A bunch of untreated sociopaths.
That sounds like Discord alright.
discord tries to be a good company challenge (impossible) (deleted in 24h)
If anyone is looking for an alternative to discord, please check out revolt.chat The interface and user experience is the closest I've seen to discord (miles better than any Matrix client), has functioning voice chat (being rebuilt for more stability) custom server roles, and a functioning youtube music bot called Remix. They're doing awesome work over there!
Edit: Forgot to mention that it's also open-source and self-hostable (although not federated)
I think the problem with projects like that is they end up with stuff like this: https://i.imgur.com/PRX4haL.png where the only recommended client is one that is unmaintained.
Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.
Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.
I don’t understand why everyone thought moving everything to discord was a good idea that wouldn’t backfire for a million reasons.
By chance do you happen to use Revolt? If so, do you (or @Takeshidude@lemmy.world) know which client might be good to use?
I have just started using it, but I’m planing to migrate my small Discord group over to Revolt.
If you go to their website revolt.chat it’ll offer a download for desktop or a link to the web app, but they’re basically the same. They’re working on an updated client called Frontend which you can get a beta of from GitHub.
I’m on an iPhone and I used the save to Home Screen function in Safari while in the web app to get an icon for it, and I think it works pretty well! It can even do push notifications, but some weird artifacts of using the web app on mobile mean you’ll only get notifications from mentions in a server or a direct message (or group message).
I did try it, but it was missing video streaming last I checked. Also, they made self hosting without docker incredibly difficult.
Jumping from one proprietary system to another isn't really an improvement.
At least you have control over your data and you and your friends can blame you for server crashes lol.
I didn't realize it was possible to host your own backend locally... I thought it was just hosting the webUI locally.
Yep, you can host it all yourself. Both UI and the server. Not sure how backwards compatible the "public" client is - I remember Rocket.chat Android client breaking by not updating the server on at least 2 occasions over the past 2 years.
why not matrix?
I've got a Matrix server up and running and have tried a couple of different clients, but at the end of the day the Matrix UX isn't really an alternative to Discord, rather an alternative to Facebook Messenger/WhatsApp or other group message platforms.
The main thing I would point to is that Matrix itself only does text; the Element client uses Jitsi to add in audio/video calls and screensharing, but at least right now, it's the only Matrix client to integrate voice, video, or screenshare.
My other gripes are just with the user interface, but if you open any of the Matrix mobile apps and compare it to Facebook Messenger and to the Discord mobile app, and you'll see it really doesn't look like Discord. I wish I could quantify it better, but Matrix just doesn't feel like Discord whereas Revolt does.
what the fuck was wrong with IRC
No voice chat, mainly. I don't want to play League and chat on IRC lol.
About a dozen modern QoL features, like not having to host your own server to be able to receive messages on mobile clients
Costly? They were pretty pathetic spam attempts that are still ongoing.
Ingress and egress costs are real and those assholes attached images to their spam. Hundreds of posts coming in at 700kb a pop does damage if you're relying on a cloud provider to store your shit. Then, it gets accessed by all your users.
Billing alarms go bing bing bing.
Yeah, I’m running a Lemmy instance maybe we missed out on the bulk of it but it’s been pretty sad over here as far as being able to call it an attack.
Do you have open registration? If not, you probably benefitted from other mods work on this one.
Ingress is typically free, but yes
I saw a few instances had large bills from their CDNs because some spammers uploaded many attachments. I don't think this is from the current wave of spam about the Japanese discord server though
Discord only cares about piracy and cp. Because the copyright industry and the police forces them to, respectively.
I doubt they would spend resources on curbing even that if they werent forced tbh.
What if there was a class action lawsuit against Discord from the Mastodon admins?
Why would a company like discord even attempt to take action against coordinated attacks against anything they see as a threat? That'd only be shooting them in the foot because then people would have the most minute expectation of them doing anything good.
Because some of these actions might qualify as criminal offenses and if Discord had knowledge about it or even supported it, they'd be complicit.
I really hope this blows up in their face if true.
Interesting side note: if discord was e2e encrypted, how should they take action on anything?
If a group decides to swat a server and they can't review themselves, how should admin moderation work?
(Yes this isn't the current situation, but I'm on the toilet and it intrigued me)
Discord:
Discord being discord I guess, but it's weird, I've seen them take down servers and accounts for all sorts of light issues, but not for this?
I've seen several people say that Matrix clients aren't good at replacing Discord, but I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is missing. What critical features does Discord have that a client like Element lacks?
Here's a critical feature: Matrix bans people using a VPN. Fuck that. I joined a channel for the first time, said "Hello", and was instantly banned for "Spam".
I have to use a VPN because I get my Internet from tethering my phone using EasyTether to make it look like phone data, and connecting to stuff like Windows Update would make it really obvious I'm doing so.
Not sure if you’re joking or not so I’m gonna go see for myself, brb
Edit: what the fuck..
Are you talking about matrix.org? I have my own server. If it bans me, that'll be wild.
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