This shit needs to be said. Zionists are using Nazi tactics. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Exactly, Lula is only saying the same thing as millions of other people who don't have a world stage to say it on.
@Mokopa yeah. I agree with Lula that it's a genocide and it's good seeing another world leader have the balls to say it.
I don't agree with the part where he says nothing like it has happened in history. There've been multiple genocides, not just this and the holocaust.
I am sure that if the Israeli government gets together they can come up with a solution to the Hamas problem. They can have a conference somewhere, I hear the Wannsee district of Berlin is nice this time of year.
come up with a solution
But not just a bandaid solution... probably something more final.
Israel is a Terrorist group based on Nazi ideology.
Israel is a Terrorist group based on Nazi ideology.
Zionism. Zionism is that group.
Here is an excellent historical review of zionism, and how it came from the same ideology that led to Nazism:
https://www.youtube.com/live/xCb95keaiI8?si=WmfHSj81-WNQ_Fjp&t=1470
I remember when people poo-pooed Zionism as a Nazi right wing conspiracy theory.
Propaganda usually uses truth as its base so that the claims are more believable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
To be fair. So much about the Nazis was. But as they say. Stopped clock and all. It gives me some hope however, that someday after it's far too late. People will finally realize that claims of Republicans being a fascist movement over much of the last century. Were not some nutty conspiracy theory either.
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And then Bibi said he disrespected the memory of 6 million Jews.
No, Bibi. You did that. You've been doing it for years. May God judge you. After you die in a cell.
I don't think 20+million people have been killed in that conflict, so the scale isn't quite there. I do agree it's a genocide with a false pretense of defensive military operations. Israel needs to slow it's roll though because without US backing it doesn't exist in the region.
It doesn have to have exactly the same number of people die. It's a genocide and they're literally trying to kill all of the Palestinians. It's not about matching numbers, it's about the definition.
It's like no one is reading my second line. I don't disagree that it's a genocide. An unimaginable 20+million died because of the German extermination in WWII. The numbers are a poor comparison, everything else matches up.
No lines after the first one. Make it any more correct. A holocaust is a Hebrew term referring to a sacrifice in which the offering was burned completely on an altar.
There is no way in which it was appropriate to use within the context of world war II. That is inappropriate to use now. After all, Holocaust is not the Hebrew term for 20 million.
I virtually agree with most of what you said after that first sentence. The question is why did you feel the need to post that first sentence however.
It's going to be a couple of million when all the displaced people starve to death.
The hypocrisy of supporting Israel is so big that any dictator can get an easy dunk on America and garner massive support. How long is America going to stay in denial on this?
Are you trying to imply that Lula is a dictator?
Oops I thought that Brazil had a coup and was ran by a dictator. But I just googled and Lula is actually a left winger, Bolsanaro was the crazy right winger that tried to do a coup.
Thanks for correcting me
As someone from Germany, reading this makes me angry.
I don't have the solution for this conflict, but when seeing the concentration camps in my country and understanding how much they must have hated Jews that they aimed to kill EVERYONE of them....
This is not the same! We all know that Israel did not even want to be there until Hamas butchered and kidnapped Israelis last year. Otherwise, they could have stayed there during the last invasion.
The holocaust comparison does not help anyone.
Edit: Very nice... Downvoting different views on this comparison without sharing arguments... Closing the door for discourse is always very useful!!!!111 There is actually much we could agree on regarding this war, but yeah, go ahead and dislike me for not sharing your view that this is like the Holocaust. I'm from Germany where we visited tge remains of concentration camps twice during school time.... What do I know...? :/
In case you haven't noticed the blocade of Israel on Food, Water and Energy for Gaza (not to mention their destruction of hospitals in there) and Israel's very own propaganda attack on the biggest humanitarian help organisation in Gaza - the UNWRA - which was without hesitation, disgracefully and shamefully used by countries such as Germany and the US to cut the very funding to the UNWRA that goes to keep Gazans alive, the Israeli Government is most definitely trying to starve Gazans to death, which is cheaper than using Zyklon B but the outcome is the same (it's actually worse as starvation is a very painful and very slow way to die whilst Zyklon B was faster and painless).
It's not a Nazi-level Holocaust yet but the Israeli government (along the nations "unwaveringly" supporting this genocide such as the US and Germany) are most definitelly trying hard to either mass murder Gazans (in many ways, from bombing them to destroying their healthcare facilities and starving them) or pushing them out using terror and starvation as weapons.
Just because the concentration camp in Palestine called Gaza doesn't look like a bunch of sheds with old fashioned razor wire around it but instead looks like an overcrowded city with walls and patrols around it and Israeli gunboats patroling the coast, you haven't yet seen hundreds of films made in Hollywood decrying it (and probably never will: notice how the biggest massacre ever, in Rwanda, has no fancy Hollywood movies reminding us of it), and the sharpshooters murdering women and chidren in it don't zig heil each other, doesn't mean this is not a modern version of the Holocaust in the making.
You stop the Holocaust before it becomes a proper Nazi-level mass murder of people due to their etnicity, you don't just wait until it becomes "just like the Nazi Holocaust" all the while excusing your inaction with "it's not quite like the Nazi Holocaust [yet]" only to turn around after it reaches Nazi-Holocaust levels and claim "there's nothing we could've done".
to cut the very funding to the UNWRA that goes to keep Gazans alive
Where is the point where you mention that there is proof that multiple (at least 12, maybe more) UNWRA people have actually been involved in the massacre on Israel last year? Oh, you ignored that fact...
which is cheaper than using Zyklon B
Reading this is disgusting.
It should be clear that the more people get killed there, the harder it is for Israel to get support from the Western world in the future. There is no reason to do what the Nazis did and "kill as much as possible of a specific group" here.
It’s not a Nazi-level Holocaust yet
So, you think, it's only a "Mini-holocaust"? Or a "10% holocaust"? I'd suggest not using the word if it does not fit.
To make this a more productive dialog: Given the fact that what happened can't be undone: What would you suggest Israel to do now?
There is no proof!
"Israel says" is the entirety of the "proof" and anybody who activelly helps one side of the conflict starve the civilians of the other side based on nothing but the "word" of the side that's doing the starving are cold calous biased sociopaths and if that bias is because of the etnicity of the people on those sides, that makes them cold, calous racist sociopaths, and that racist motivation is painfully obviously in this case for nations such as Germany and the US because for years their politicians have been harping on and on about Israel being a "Jewish Nation", something wholly irrelevant for anybody but a racist.
I don't suggest shit for Israel to do because they're as out of control as the Nazis once were and will not do the right thing without being forced to do it (and they've became like that because of the unwavering support of large racist nations)
The fairest solution for that is the two state solution according to the borders set in the agreement that was done way back by Isaak Rabin and Arafat - the very same that Bibi totally undermined in his first time on government after one of his supporters murdered Isaak Rabin - and that has to be imposed on Israel by the rest of the World through massive sanctions and a blockade, and before that happens this racist sociopath shit of "unwavering" support because of the etnicity of its people for a nation committing massive atrocities against civilians of a different etnicity, has to stop.
Germany is siding with racist sociopath mass murders because of their race, AGAIN, and that, at least for me, it's a huge dissapointment because thinking that any act, no matter how horrible and how driven by deep racism, is excusable because of the etnicity of those doing it, is the way of thinking that was used to underpin support for Nazism.
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Edit: just to be clear in case you are genuinely uninformed, a good starting point for understanding why shit goes down in Gaza right now and why Israel is wrong is as simple as reading the Wikipedia page for example. It did not start with October 7.
This is not about a "different" point of view.
Here is one more example why especially Germany does also not see "the time before" as a holocaust and thinks that the comparison is bullshit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66741336
Germany's role as a moral shield for Israel's genocide is the most disgusting part of this whole ordeal.
I've read about the Staatsräson with some bemusement. It seems that Germany's lesson from the Holocaust is not that there should be no more genocide but that Zionist Jews can do whatever they want.
Germany is always on the wrong side of history it seems.
If you want Germany to atone for Nazism, give Israel your country rather than making the Palestinians pay for your crimes for the last 75 years.
Israel cannot let Palestinians live as human beings because they out-number the Israelis. Giving then rights would give the Palestinians a majority in voting etc. So the Israeli's opted to treat the Palestinians like sub humans. Treating an entire country as subhumans... For decades... has consequences.
This has become a sort of an edgelord thing to say in the geopolitical arena. It's obvious that if Israel and IDF was committing genocide with the same passion and planning as Hitler was doing with the jews, this situation would be completely different.
Additionally, Hamas doesn't declare how many of the killed people have been its fighters. They make it look like all of them are civilians. Are there even estimates about this?
Well, we could probably take the 15000 or so children off the number, I would guess.
Perhaps you cannot. Amnesty International thinks Hamas uses children as soldiers: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150352004en.pdf
Given their religion (dying in holy war is considered a net positive for the individual) and demographics (half of the people are underage), it makes sense if they did.
What a leap of faith #justaskingquestions guesture towards a conclusion during a time where there is really no way to know.
Curb your bias.
Given their religion
Definitely not an argument against a specific point, but a generalization against an entire population. Pretty much ad hominem on a large scale.
What a bigot with no actual argument. Begone now and thank you 😘
Bye
I don't think you can use a PDF from 2004 as evidence of anything Hamas is doing currently. They weren't even voted in to power until 2007.
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