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Basically title.

I’m wondering if a package manager like flatpak comes with any drawback or negatives. Since it just works on basically any distro. Why isn’t this just the default? It seems very convenient.

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[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of the use cases I would like to have used Flatpak for is Visual Studio Code. Unfortunately, I found the isolation to be too onerous for developer needs. Take the Rust compiler toolchain. There's no way to access that from VSCode. There are ways to add on tools to the VSCode environment, but that feels like a kludge when I already have everything installed and set up. And if the toolchain isn't available for Flatpak, tough luck. Other features just simply don't work. I eventually switched to using the Ubuntu builds from the VSCode developers.

Edit: The Rust compiler toolchain can be added onto Flatpak because there is a packaged version of the toolchain, but it's not the host environment's version. Other tools like the fish shell might be entirely unavailable.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago
[-] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The upside over Snaps is that they're not so controlled by a central source

I'd say they still share a couple downsides: a) use a lot of them and stuff is gonna get bloaty vs native packages

b) updating a library etc for security on your system can still leave you with vulnerable apps where the packages aren't updated

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Snaps are very much controlled by a central source. With flatpak you can add custom repos

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah that was what I said.

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[-] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

If you have an unusual setup, it can be annoying trying to give programs permissions and sometimes it just outright doesn't work. For example, I mainly game on a laptop which has a pretty small hard drive, so I tend to put most of my games on an external hard drive. Flatpak really doesn't play well with that.

[-] Unmapped@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The main reason I don't use them is because when I move my nixos config to a new machine as far as I know you cant get them to auto install. I have to remember which ones I had installed and redo them manually.

Which is why if for some odd reason I don't want to just install from the nix pkgs repo. I use app images. I can keep them in a directory which I can just copy over to the new machine with my nixos config files.

[-] excitingburp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

GPU drivers. It uses the Ubuntu 22.04 (LTS) userspace side of drivers. Could be incompatible with your kernel. Had all sorts of graphical weirdness with my AMD GPU with flatpak Steam.

[-] Whayle@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, the confusion that results when things don't work because of isolation.

[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

I feel like this should be required reading for a lot of Linux users. That article is a couple years old now, but I think is even more true now than it was when it was written. Having a middleman (package maintainer) between the user and the software developer is a tremendous benefit. Maintainers enforce quality, and if you bypass them, you're going to end up with Linux as the Google Play Store (doubly so if you try and fool yourself into thinking it won't happen because "Linux is different")

[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

What I find most annoying is the extra drive space required. It makes backing up and restoring my computer so much more annoying. The upside of this is that I've ended up learning how to install from source so I can avoid them when a deb package is not available!

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

I personally don't really like it, since it sidesteps what is supposed to be the all-in-one package manager for the system, and integration can be poor.

It's an alright idea, but I like the native package managers better. We're not Windows, we don't need so many different places to download our stuff.

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[-] cetvrti_magi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Problem I have with Flatpak is their way of naming packages which makes them very akward to run in a WM. That's basically the only reason why I haven't used Flatpak since I switched to WMs, pacman and AUR also work really well so there isn't even a reason to use something else.

[-] om1k@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I use flatpak for all GUI apps I use.

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