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[-] abbiistabbii 81 points 9 months ago

Know what's funny? The way politics is going, this could happen but with whoever becomes PM after Sunak because HOO BOY SHIT'S GETTING REALLY FUCKING WILD HERE.

Like the current PM made a transphobic Jibe to the Leader of the opposition WHILE THE MOTHER OF A MURDERED TRANSGENDER TEENAGER WAS IN THE FUCKING GALLERY and refused to apologize. Not to long ago we had a scheme to make kids sing this fucking bullshit in schools because people identify with their home nation more than the UK, not to mention all the absolute horseshit that regularly comes out of the UK.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

The UK is really a dead country huh?

[-] abbiistabbii 15 points 9 months ago

The UK was never a nation state to begin with. it's traditions are are shallow as bathwater, mainly based around the Empire, which people are quickly realising is a bad thing. It's four, some would even say five nations poorly stapled together with little interplay between the cultures. Each nation sees itself as it's own thing with it's own politics, identity, culture, ideologies, and even languages.

The UK is about as much a nation state as Yugoslavia was.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

This comment is why you shouldnt get your geopolitical information from websites like Lemmy.

[-] DriftinGrifter 5 points 9 months ago

He said while clearly expressing his geopolitical opinions for others to perceive on lemmy

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

The UK is also on track to be economically weaker than fucking Poland.

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[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 54 points 9 months ago

Hillarious! Just for a few seconds I wondered if this was real!

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

Stop it meme creators! You were my only reliable news source. Now you are ruining it with fake memes.

[-] quackers 15 points 9 months ago

Governments use memes as a format to spawn propaganda. wouldnt rely on em too much in any case

[-] janet_catcus 25 points 9 months ago

is that a joke? cuz that sounds hella interesting... the weirder the conspiracies the tastier the popcorn!

[-] neptune@dmv.social 84 points 9 months ago

I think it's a joke on the Putin thing. Like OK, a historical border doesn't justify a present day war. Even the leader of Mongolia was riffing on this. Should Mongolia reclaim all of it's former land Asia?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Should Mongolia reclaim all of it's former land Asia?

I mean, it would make cartographer a somewhat easier job.. Do we really need to have all those -stans anyway? 😛

[-] Skua@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

I kinda want to see what the fewest countries you could cover the whole world with is if you took everything at its historical peak territory. So like post-WW1 British empire, Mongol empire just before Chinggis died, Umayyad caliphate when it stretched from Iran to Spain, Roman Empire under Trajan etc etc. How many do we need to fill in the whole map? And what's the smallest country that we need in order to do so?

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

OK, but to make this interesting the countries you pick must have 100% of their peak territory, and it cannot overlap with another country.

Good luck.

[-] Zangoose@lemmy.one 5 points 9 months ago

This sounds like a problem that would be covered in an algorithms class.

Something something knapsack problem, dynamic programming, something something

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

Well, even without this rule. On what basis should territory be attributed to one empire or the other? We get back to square one with this.

[-] Skua@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

I feel like overlaps should be allowed otherwise certain regions (Iraq and its surroundings come to mind) will make it impossible

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago

Overlaps would make for a nice heat map. Which areas in the world have been coveted the most?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

Alright my plans for the evening got cancelled so I decided to have a go at working this out. Methodology, a term I am using somewhat loosely, was to go down wikipedia's list of largest empires, ignore each one that was already completely covered (the four big caliphates and several Chinese dynasties in particular), then take their peak territory from Geacron. Geacron isn't an ideal source here, not least because the only way to "export" from it without paying money is print screen, but it's good enough for these purposes. I also didn't bother filling in the entire map because a couple of places were basically just going to come down to whichever country had them today due to how difficult to conquer they have historically been. Priority in overlaps is given to the larger empire. The result is this: https://i.imgur.com/kLNjpSm.png

On here we have:

  • Britain in 1920 (including dominions)
  • Mongolia in 1259
  • The USSR in 1945
  • Russia in 1895... basically only because of Finland and Latvia
  • Qing dynasty in 1790
  • Spain in 1810
  • France in 1920
  • The Abbasid caliphate in 750
  • The USA in 2022. We could have used 1946 to get part of Germany, but we needed Germany in here anyway since the British and Soviet areas aren't included due to different territorial peaks.
  • Brazil in 1889
  • Japan in 1942
  • Rome in 117
  • Portugal in 1894 (mainland Portugal is already covered by Rome, though)
  • Italy in 1941 (mainland Italy is, of course, also Rome)
  • Belgium in 1939 (Rome has the core again)
  • Netherlands in 1938
  • Denmark in 1917
  • Germany in 1941

This list leaves Western Sahara, Liberia, Sweden, Slovakia, Nepal, Bhutan, Papua New Guinea, and Antarctica for a total of 25 countries (or maybe 27 if you add Norway and Chile for maximum Antarctic coverage. I suppose you could also argue that the Treaty of Torsedillas granted half of Antarctica each to Spain and Portugal, not that either ever actually controlled it). Possibly also some islands, especially in the Pacific, but the map isn't in a high enough resolution to tell. The most contested areas are the Levant and Central Asia. Some big empires that aren't on the list include every Persian empire, the Ottomans, and Alexander's empire.

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[-] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

This just sounds like playing a Paradox game, now

[-] Skua@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

Please, nobody look at my combined hours played on those games

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago

Who else is going to send letters to Eminem?

[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Signed truly yours, your biggest fan, Kazakhstan.

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[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

Yes this is 100% a satirical post mocking Putin for essentially using the same justification for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

If the TV Show The Crown is the slightest accurate, I could definitely imagine King Charles making this exact joke TBH.

[-] Squeezer@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

See, I’m not a fan of the royal family, but I’m pretty sure Charles would never talk to that cunt for a second, and for that I give him a tiny shred of respect.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 20 points 9 months ago

England is slipping back into being the cultural backwater they were in the early/mid medieval period. Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales should jump ship sooner rather than later.

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[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago

my favorite genre of british person: the ones who think they aren’t just as annoying as the americans

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Britannia waives the RULEs.

[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Ok your royal highness lets get you to bed

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Alexander is ready for his interview Mr. Carlson

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I see the old man wants round 2.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

[ Heart of Oak intensifies ]

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago
[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

TIS TO GLORY WE STEER

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

This is why cousins shouldn't marry and why heads of state shouldn't be whichever inbred result plops out of the royal vagina first.

[-] Shalakushka@kbin.social 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You ate the onion, my dude

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 13 points 9 months ago

so many things are onion flavored nowadays it's kinda hard to notice when you get a real one.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Oh well, my comment about monarchy in general and (cavalier) King Charles (spaniel) in particular is still correct 🤷

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Putin should have became a history teacher, he might enjoy that more

[-] manucode@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago
[-] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Even before clicking on the link I was like, oh yeah, like Bernd Höcke.

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[-] aluminium@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

The UK - nah they are too weak and small. But I could see a world where a U.S. leader claims that they are the successor state to the british empire and thus have the right to reclaim the land.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 8 points 9 months ago

I mean, why not? We already exist on stolen land, and our border policy with Mexico is fueled by colonialism.

Note so I'm not misunderstoodJust to be clear, I'm being satirical and don't really think we should extend our colonial arm even further, but it's important to realize that we already pretty much do this.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Let's not forget that the royal family is actually of German descendance.

Before we attribute the empire to the US we should ask the Reichbürger (literally empirce-citizens, kinda like sovereign citizens, but they believe in Monarchy) of Germany if they have a suitable leader for the empire.

[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago

I mean if you go back 300 years, but then if you go back 1000-1300 then most of England & Scotland starts to look pretty German (Anglo-Saxons, Norse), with England getting significant French & Scandinavian (Norman = French Norse) influence after and tenuously Austrian (Celts) before that... The native British people were completely wiped out at least twice before that, so frankly all sorts of European nations *could* have a claim if Putin rules applied

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