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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 185 points 1 year ago

It'd ultimately be better for everyone if no PCs could boot windows 11.

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I have a laptop that runs Win11. I have had no issues with it since I did the upgrade when it first came out and as far a Microsoft products go, it's OK. But with the addition of the AI, I know at some point it will piss me off and I will wipe it and chose a distro to take it's place.

I'm retired now, and I no longer really need the Fusion360 install that one customer requested I use for their designs nor do I play games beyond a little mahjongg and solitaire in the evenings if I feel the need.

Windows is merely a tool and a means to an end. It's NOT the end in itself. Use the tool you want/need to and feel the best with and just get on with the job.......

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 116 points 1 year ago
[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago
[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You got downvoted, but that's literally who's catch phrase it is. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Welcome to Lemmy - where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 96 points 1 year ago
[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 40 points 1 year ago

Maybe this will convince more people to switch to linux.

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Issue is, a lot of people still using Windows, and Linux pro-audio is still questionable at best (lack of drivers, etc.).

[-] aksdb@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I don't think the venn diagram for people relying on pro-audio and using 20 year old computers has a large overlap.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 year ago

At this point Microsoft should just be buying me the computer since they make all their money on collecting my data

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In modern x86 CPUs, POPCNT is implemented as part of the SSE4 instruction set. For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.

That effectively bars mid-2000s Intel Core 2 Duo systems and early Athlon 64-era PCs from booting Windows 11 at all, not that they officially supported it in the first place. This means the change should mainly affect retro-computing enthusiasts who spend their days making YouTube videos in the "we installed Windows 11 on a potato, let's see how it runs" genre rather than users of actual systems.

You can check if your CPU has SSE 4.2(Intel) or 4a(AMD) but it sounds like unless you're running some real old stuff you shouldn't have to worry.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But isn't Microsoft just so evil for making it so their operating system doesn't function flawlessly on twenty year old hardware?

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

do hack to make software run on unsupported hardware

software stops working with update

surprised pikachu

“this is why i switched to linux” no shut up lol. this is not an issue for any average user and if you had the ability to hack the TPM requirements you have the ability to fix your borked install. this issue affects no one else. 🙂🙂🙂

[-] Asnabel@szmer.info 35 points 1 year ago

No, the issue is that Microsoft officially supports only two versions of Windows. And support of the older one is ending next year. They are forcing users that are using perfectly capable hardware to artificially switch to - for many - needless new hardware.

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[-] Gladaed@feddit.de 51 points 1 year ago

Itt: Use Linux Spam. This is not feasible for most users. Not all applicatopns are posted to Linux and some explicitly do not work. In particular for people that play games socially this just does not work. That being said they are unaffected by this change.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Lol. Every Windows article gets spammed to death with yOu ShoUlD uSe LiNuX.

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[-] BURN@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Seems like this is a constant spam on Lemmy and it’s starting to drive me away from the platform. So much Linux spam.

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[-] Link@rentadrunk.org 9 points 1 year ago

At this point the only games that don’t work on Linux are games using kernel level anti-cheats, and these are the largest games out there.

If you don’t play any of those games then your game most likely works just fine on Linux.

[-] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

This is simply not true. I recently tried Linux for gaming after several years because I read that Valve made some great progress. Installed Crusader Kings III and didn't get Paradox Launcher to run which is necessary for any DLC.

This was literally the first game I installed from my huge library and it simpl didn't work so I had to do two hours of research, trial and error and reading error logs to conclude that I wasn't able to solve this problem.

This is the exact reason why I use Windows for gaming. It simply works 99 % of the time. And I don't have the time to troubleshoot my games all the time.

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[-] remus989@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

You just described this entire site.

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[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Sudo switch to linux

[-] snownyte@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

May I ask - why is anyone bothering to install Windows 11 on old hardware in the first place?

Old hardware is better for Linux. Either install Linux or you can get used to having your old hardware be used as a paperweight.

[-] HC4L@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

In this context an unsupported cpu would be an i7 7700K for example. Hardly e-waste and can perform quite well..

[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Those aren't supported but they're not affected by this specific change. The latest chips that won't be able to boot are Core 2 Duo and the Athlon X2 chips that predated AMD Phenom. Old old.

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[-] LostXOR@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

Or just... Stay on Windows 10? There's nothing wrong with it compared to Windows 11 (though Linux is usually a better choice).

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

I've got a solution but y'all will not like it🐧

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

But my anti-cheat :(

I wanna like Linux but I like my games more

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[-] feinstruktur@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

I went to Linux for all private use years ago. And man - I wish so very hard I could simply switch to a non win-native CAD at the job.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago
[-] zarenki@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I would not count on all major distros maintaining support for processors as old as Core 2 forever.

RHEL 9 in particular (and by extension CentOS Steam, Alma, Rocky) already dropped support for all of the processors affected by this breakage since 2022.

Linux systems often group these CPU feature set generations into levels, where "x86-64-v2" requires SSE4 and POPCNT (Nehalem/2008 and newer) and "x86-64-v3" requires AVX2 (Haswell/2013 and newer).

Ubuntu and Fedora are already evaluating optimized package builds for both v2 and v3 but haven't announced any plans to drop baseline x86-64 yet; I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen within the next two years. Debian is a relatively safer bet for old hardware.

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[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago

Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux

[-] TheEntity@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With all due respect, that sounds very much like what something unsupported would do.

[-] KuroeNekoDemon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

sudo dnf install fedora-39-workstation-edition

[-] Hule@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

C:/> sudo dnf install fedora39-workstation-edition

Bad command or file name.

C:/>

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[-] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

2025 will likely be way more the year of massive e-waste than the "Year of the Linux Desktop (TM)" - but I still think it is in the realm of possible that Linux market share close to doubles into the 5 to 8 percent range.

While I already regularly use Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch for my "infotainment" desktops, laptops and tablets - I have 3 desktops in my studio that run Windows 10 that work great for my pro audio work needs, none of which qualify for Windows 11 according to MS's "PC Health Check" app. So I've been investigating running Ubuntu Studio dual booting on one of my machines as a possible way of keeping these boxes going after Win 10 stops getting security updates. Some things look promising, but given I was not able to get the available kernel module device driver to build for my Merging Anubis (which is my main audio interface for my mastering studio) I will likely still need to get a Win 11 box in order to be able to continue my current work flow.

[-] digital_roach@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Or the year of grand piracy. "Someone I met" told me that while it is nearly impossible to purchase a legit copy, Windows 10 IoT LTSC is going to be supported until 2032. It is truly Windows as its meant to be without tons of bloat, telemetry, ads, and the option to decline feature updates. Scripts readily available on the web to activate the product, runs so cleanly and efficiently.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Almost like I still have no reason to get a secure boot machine!

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