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Mozilla’s new service tries to wipe your data off the web
(www.theverge.com)
God bless the Mozilla foundation
How can they know it's your data without first collecting your data to compare it?
"Give us your personal information so we can ask others to delete your personal information" just doesn't sound like a trustworthy offer.
I can also see the irony. But I can't imagine another way to do it at any scale. Do you know of another option?
Something akin to haveibeenpwned.com password hash partial match? Can that even be done with this data?
Edit: You goofs know you can calculate the hash locally and submit it for review without actually exposing your password to them right? That's how bitwarden does it's check. https://www.troyhunt.com/ive-just-launched-pwned-passwords-version-2/#cloudflareprivacyandkanonymity
Ah, but Mozilla isn't even trying to do anything cool like that. They just use onereap and those fuckers look shady. Quotes from their privacy policy: https://onerep.com/privacy-policy#what-data-we-collect-and-how-we-do-that
We use your Personal Information for a number of purposes, which may include the following:
[snip]
- To display advertisements to you.
- To manage our Affiliate marketing program.
There will be times when we may need to disclose your Personal Information to third parties. We may disclose your Personal Information to:
[snip]
- Third-party service providers and partners who assist us in the provision of the Services and Website, for example, (a) those who support delivery of or provide certain features in connection with the Services and Website (e.g. Stripe, a payment services provider; Sendgrid, an email delivery service; HubSpot, a CRM platform, and Sentry, a crash reporting platform); (b) providers of analytics and measurement services (e.g. Google Analytics, ProfitWell etc.); (c) providers of technical infrastructure services (e.g. Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, and Amazon AWS); (d) providers of customer support services (e.g. Zendesk); (e) those who facilitate conduct of surveys (e.g. Hotjar); (f) those who help to advertise, market or promote our Services and Website (e.g. Mautic, Facebook Ads, Google Ads, Linkedin Ads, Reddit Ads, and Microsoft Ads);
The bastards
No. If your name is Dave Jones they have to look around those broker sites for Dave Jones. If those sites were using hashes then they could use hashes too.
This is no different than any credit or identity monitoring service. The need to give them basic information should be obvious, people have to decide if the company is trustworthy or not.
They could just look for names, then hash those names and compare them to your hashed name. So technically that don’t need to store your data, just hashes.
I'm all for privacy but worrying about giving one of the most trustworthy companies around your name seems a bit much.
You'd also have to give them your card details to pay for it.
This would also require searching and indexing the entire system as opposed to searching it.
Need a Moreno payment system
Tbf if someone logged that you were paying for this service that data would get removed anyway haha
The front page there is literally: "Give us your email, so we can find leaks of your email." It's exactly the same thing.
They are talking about the password lookup: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords
But, it's the same deal. You have to trust they are actually doing what they say. Mozilla uses haveibeenpwned for their basic Monitor service too.
To be fair, you can check the code they run or just use the API.
The hash is calculated locally, cut-off and then send, the server returns all hashes it found which start with your one and then you can check if yours in in the list locally.
ah yes. type your password in here we totally wont steal it
Y'know that you can see the requests your browser makes, right? Mind putting in here a screenshot of HIBP uploading your password or any complete hash of it?
Failing to provide that grants you the "talking shit out of ya ass" award.
No, because you are asking the data broker to do something with your data that they possess. It is not possible for them to delete your data without knowing which are your data.
The only alternative is fully banning this kind of data collection. Which would be nice, but isn't happening anytime soon.
Unless you trust Mozilla. I'm unaware of another organization that is more trustworthy, despite the haters mad that CEOs make money.
Likely you must provide Mozilla with basic identifying data like name and birth date. Which isn't all that radical since you're giving them quite a bit more by paying them.
It's better when it's in their hands, because:
- It's Mozilla - one of the more trusty organizations out there.
- They don't get your information in some sneaky way from some source that was never supposed to be available to them.
- You know exactly how they make money from your data.
It's ironic yeah, but if trust is the only way to implement something like this, then Mozilla is probably the one company I would trust considering they're a non-profit org.
The way I see it, if you're asking for data removal, it's because your identity is public online already, the company has nothing else to gain maybe other than the payment information and you can get a new card if they just happened to be untrustworthy.
There are already plenty of companies that sell managed data removal like this, Mozilla claims to be doing it better and perhaps they are incrementally more trustworthy than the smaller no name ones
Discover does it for free, but they only do so on a handful of sites.
Decided to try it out, 489 request in progress vs the 10 from a year with Discovers free takedowns.
I think it was only 3 when I first signed up, so that's an improvement. They probably hit the ones most likely to honor takedown requests, but yeah 190 sites is more than 10. $9 is more than $0 too though, so it's a balance.
I wonder how many sites like this actually exist. Probably over a thousand would be my guess.
I just tried to enable it, they want $15/month.
Sounds like you're looking at their identity theft bullshit? The data removal is free, but only for 10 sites.
Probably so. How do you sign up for the data removal?
If I’m reading this correctly, are they basically just reselling the Onerep service ($14.95/monthly or $99.96/annually) for $8.99/month?
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And there are other alternatives besides.
If you have a Discover card they'll do the monitoring/removal for free.
Discover only removes it from ten sites.
Oh, thanks. I didn't know.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
For $8.99 a month under its annual subscription, Mozilla says it will automatically keep a lookout for your information at over 190 sites where brokers sell information they’ve gathered from online sources like social media sites, apps, and browser trackers, and when your info is found, it will automatically try to get it removed.
Mozilla Monitor product manager Tony Cinotto told The Verge in an email that Mozilla partners with a company called Onerep to perform these scans and subsequent takedown requests.
Mozilla will keep trying, he added, but will also give Plus members instructions for attempting removal themselves.
Basic Monitor members will get a free scan and one-time removal sweep, plus continual monthly data broker scans afterward, Mozilla says.
Mozilla says its data broker scans can find details online like your name and current and previous home addresses but adds that it could go as deep as criminal history, hobbies, or your kids school district.
Services like this are fairly common, but they’re not all that well known to most people and searching for them is as likely to turn up sketchy scam sites as it is legitimate service providers like, for instance, DeleteMe.
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services like this rely upon the data harvesters and brokers to honor removal requests. honest ones would. but there's tons of them that aren't legit, so it's like using a straw to empty lake superior.
Exactly. I trust Mozilla, but I absolutely do not trust the broker sites to actually honor a request to remove data.
Even for the “honest” data collectors I’m sceptical any of these services really work. Privacy and data protection laws are weak in many places, and even the countries that have enacted better legislation in this regard often have fairly toothless enforcement. Data is the new oil and is far too valuable for companies to want to part with. There seems little real incentive for companies to truthfully cooperate with these schemes.
We need chain of custody data laws. If FB sells your data they’re responsible for keeping a chain of custody as to who they sold it to and requests for removal need to follow that chain down with regular audits and stiff fines for noncompliance.
Almost got a heart attack when I read that they made a subscription service.
If they added automatic online account collation and mass deletion I'd pay them $100 on the spot to wipe the hundreds of random accounts I have on sites/services I never use and often have never used.
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