Didn't we try the whole Dems helping Republicans thing before? And didn't that get us into this whole-ass mess to begin with, Hillary?
I'm sure Biden won't ignore WI, MI, PA this time around like Hillary did.
In fairness I blame Stein for that shit. Her voters would have flipped every single one of those states had Putin not been encouraging her to spoil in favor of the wannabe authoritarian.
I blame Hillary. Stein ran her campaign, and Hillary didn't do enough to get enough votes.
Not to replay previous elections but seriously, if Hillary had visited just a few of the states she completely wrote off maybe she'd have gotten a couple vote there. I'm pretty left of center so I'll vote my interests anyway but not even being worth a visit is a bit of a slap in the face to a whole lot of people who at least want to feel heard.
I won’t say you’re wrong but how ridiculous is it that people need someone to come to their state to gain their vote?
Get the fuck over yourself.
Actually, I just decided if Joe doesn’t knock on my door himself he can forget about it.
It makes sense to me that people feel that way. "Hillary didn't even come to Michigan, why would she care about us?"
No one is expecting Biden to knock on their door, but making the effort to show that their state counts does get people more likely to vote for him.
I hated her and sat out the vote because I didn't think it was possible for the other to win. Dems are to blame for running someone so unlikeable. They're doing it again, only to a lesser degree.
I voted for her, and I voted for Biden and will vote for him again, but 2016 was like a slow motion train wreck as viewed from the dining car. This Biden campaign feels the same.
Nah, if Nader wasn't here we wouldn't have had Iraq, and if Stein wasn't we wouldn't have had Dobbs.
The green party are fascist collaborators and deserve no deflection from their responsibility in holding america back in the name of their white left bullshit allowing the right to drag this country further and further off track in the name of "teaching those establishment dems a lesson."
We could have had better education standards, made headway on climate change, and avoided the 6-3 court taking away women's reproductive rights, but nah, lets blame the dems who'd have stopped that shit for the Green Party being knowing spoilers upto and including taking RNC money to keep doing it.
When we achieve the multipartisan pluralistic democracy this country needs the current greens will be wiped out and replaced, because they're not a real party with real political goals, they're a russian and RNC backed professional spoiler club who exist only to let the white left pretend the continued degradation of this country is the fault of the people out to halt or reverse it because,
"well you didn't make me want to vote for you as hard as this obvious straw-candidate who's literally taking money from the folks out to destroy everything I claim to value more than rubbing it in your face that it's your fault I'm doing nothing to help."
You folks still trying to blame hillary for Stein stabbing everyone in the back are the epitome of the "look what you made me do!" domestic abuser.
Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender,
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
We're going to see queer folks be hunted for sport by the end of next year because people like you can't just admit that shit is better when the Republicans are not let into at least one branch of government than when they aren't.
We literally have observable proof that the biggest improvements to life in this country come when the dems are given the margin to just do shit without having to spending months prying it from the right, but nah, let's teach them another lesson by letting the Rs back into power so they can reverse Obergefell with a 9-0 majority this time instead!
That will teach those old white folks that won't be personally impacted at all and not just prove that the white left is not and has never been any sort of ally to the queer community!
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Yes, Clinton supporters blame everyone but Clinton for the loss she earned.
Haley isn't going to win but voting for her in the primaries will help fracture the republican party further.
If she wins the primaries, there's no way Trump won't run as an independent.
And that will split GOP votes.
Not unless she buys him off with promises of pardons and funding for his lawsuits. They could very well strike a deal where she names him as her VP and promises him oversight of the Department of Justice.
Or it won't. It will look like they are more popular and bolster the outlook for the party.
Yeah but Haley doesn't validate rural white voters wanting to say the N word without social consequences the way Trump does.
Trump promises to make the grandkids start coming home for christmas again, Haley promises to return to the Republicans paying the nominal lipservice to that mentality being a bad thing that was driving trump's supporters nuts with the party before the brass bullshitter came along.
The net effect will more likely be trump still winning and then either Haley's supporters feeling alienated from how much Trump goes feral against her in the process, or Trump is blocked from running and he still loses via a write in third party run from the cult of trump
She didn't list slavery as a reason for the Civil War. She'd absolutely validate the racists if she got the nomination.
Why the fuck are liberals still doing this shit? Was getting trump elected not enough of a sign that it's stupid and doesn't work??
It's like they forgot Hillary Clinton literally propped up Trump because she thought he'd never win.
Stop playing fucking metagames and learn how to govern.
Braindead strategy. How about galvanizing voters with popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives?! Did you think to try that you dumb fucks?
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Isn't this how we got trump in the first place?
Yes. Hilary thought he was easy work. Blew up in her face.
That would be the most Dem thing Dems have ever done. Play games and get Haley elected when Biden would have just cruised over trump.
I don't suspect Biden will just cruise over Trump. Look at the polls, Trump leads in swing states. I hope Biden can win, but it won't be easy.
Don't mention polling. Centrists hate it because it indicates that their constant shift rightward has become unpopular.
Actual results since roe was overturned have been ~+9 towards dem/dem supported policies than polling has said. I still have hope.
Haley isn’t getting elected. She has virtually no path towards the GOP nomination. If she did, MAGATs aren’t going to vote for her unless he was on the ballot, and then if she did put him on the ballot, she’ll lose the moderate votes.
Trump has a chance to cause chaos by losing another general election. He could also do even more damage by winning another general election. Haley, if she somehow won the primary and general, would be so much less destructive.
So yeah, voting for Haley in the primary is the fucking move and it’s why I didn’t vote for Biden in the SC primary.
Nikki Haley's Sudden Wealth Rooted in Weapons Industry, Pro-War Advocacy Network.
The former U.N. ambassador went from virtually no savings in 2017 to a small fortune in part from defense contracting and war advocacy ties.
Look, no Democrat is saying she'd be great or even close to being better than Biden.
But she'd certainly be better than Trump. And if she can split the Republican votes in the general election, even better.
SHE HAS THE SAME FASCIST POLICY POSITIONS AS TRUMP. THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME CANDIDATE
No, she wouldn't be. Trump at least has value from an accelerationist POV, Haley's going to do all things Trump would but as less of a publicly shitposting moron.
I don’t care if she sucks. She won’t beat Trump in the end. The longer she stays in the race, the more angry he’s gonna get at his own party
She wins the primary if SCOTUS rules that Trump is an insurrectionist, and she polls well against Biden precisely because she appeals to "enlightened centrists."
The question is not whether Trump should be barred as insurrectionist. The question is what candidate the leash holders of certain Justices want.
I think she'd win in a head to head against Biden. Unless trump, which he would, sabotages her at every chance they get.
I can pretty much guarantee that bidens folks want to run against the guy who keeps losing vs a young competent woman.
Don't confuse my thoughts with support. I don't like her, I'm just realistic.
After living through the last few elections, I'm not going to bet on whether Biden vs Haley or Biden vs Trump will lead to a better result. But I really don't see how helping Haley would actually accomplish anything. Even if the Democrats made a big (wasted) effort to push & campaign for Haley, it's not going to be nearly enough to make her the nominee.
Absent the Supreme Court declaring Trump ineligible (don't hold your breath) It's going to be Biden vs Trump. Prepare for that. Messing with the Republican's sham primary is a waste of effort and a distraction from more constructive things Democrats could be doing like getting their voters registered and ready to go to the polls in November.
This is not "messing with Trump". Anyone in any party should participate in primaries. They decide who everyone else will get to vote for, and in some regards they are more important than the general election. For example, if someone is in a gerrymandered district, primaries are the only elections that matter for district level races.
If one party literally has only a single candidate, and thus there is no choice, don't vote in that primary. It's pointless. Vote in the other primary, for whatever candidate you like best, even if you don't like the candidate. Then there's some hope that when the general election comes, you'll at least be OK with both candidates. In the general election, vote for the one you like best, and if the candidate you like loses that election, you made a difference in the primary. Republican, Democrat, any party or no party, it's the way to give your vote the most influence.
We need to help Donald Trump as a way to sow chaos in the Republican Party and guarantee ourselves a resounding victory in 2016.
---Hillary Clinton
Jesus fucking christ dems have you considered running a candidate that people want to vote for because he'll make their lives better, or did Bill Clinton convince you that you can just run as Gay Reagan every election and then either you win or your stock portfolio does?
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