Basically they’ve bought into the idea that the West, neoliberal capitalists to the core, is the root of all evils, so the leaders opposing the West must be good. Unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend when it comes to geopolitics.
Because they can't go beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" level of logic.
I don't understand either, I want capitalism to stop but not by making life worse like that
I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass. Don't support Putin at all. Totally anti wal but painted as a 'putin apologist ' for bringing up facts. There is a historical context totally missing in western media because the US wanted this proxy war. And are working overtime to control the narrative and prevent people from understanding the history that made the war inevitable.
"I'm not a Putin apologist, I just coincidentally reach the same talking points as Russian propaganda through my totally unbiased research!"
I'm not a Saddam, I just coincidentally reached the same talking points as Iraqi propaganda through my totally unbiased research.
The people of Ukraine didn't want to be Russian, they wanted to be more like the West. Their leader at the time wanted Ukraine to get in bed with Russia and the rest of the East. They ousted him. Putin seized on their moment of weakness and instability by invading.
Could the US have played a role? Yeah but every country with the ability to project any power almost certainly did as well. That's just geopolitics at work for better or worse.
Every single country on Earth exerts influence on the others to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine cozying up with the West right now to get weapons and notice how the US, UK, and other Western nations are happily obliging. Ukraine wants to be Western and the West would love another long-term ally, especially one next to Russia. Anyone really think Eastern nations don't do the same thing? China is exerting a ton of influence in Africa right now, and it's not out of the goodness of their hearts - it's quite predatory actually so they're no different than the US in that regard.
The eastern part of Ukraine did want to be Russian.
China doesn't require austerity for their loans like the IMF does.
Your talking points just show the depth of your understanding is limited and that's not surprising. The information war is in full effect, it's heavily funded, and truth is the first victim
"China doesn't require austerity"
Please expand on exactly what you think this means.
Ok even though your query seems condescending I will assume it is in good faith. so when the IMF makes a loan they require 'structural adjustment' of the country borrowing money. In other words push down wages and privatize any state owned social services. This is common knowledge and there is a wealth of information available on this topic.
China is approaching the 'belt and road' lending program differently, focusing on a 'win win' for lender and borrower. That's why they are so popular in the global south. Again tons of data including world bank analysis saying they need to change the lending model to compete.
I hope you can get access to a wider swath of data because there is so much propaganda in western media it's almond impossible to parse.
The west isn't the good guy but you're nuts if you think China isn't sucking Africa dry.
I just watched a documentary recently (I will genuinely try to find it again and link here if I can) where Native African workers were being put out of business by China in their own country. China is mining for rare Earth metals using Chinese workers and trapping a lot of these countries in debts they won't be able to pay back. Once I saw it coming from the mouths of Native Africans, I knew it wasn't propaganda from either side. Straight to the source - people who live there and see it every day. They start out very grateful for China's assistance and then later on realize the trap they are in.
Here is some other info: https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6
There's plenty of info of African leaders thanking China approach in Africa. African leaders are not dumb , if China offers a better credit card and infrastructure plans than some western countries they will choose that. Yes, it's that simple.
"I'm not a tankie, I just parrot all of their talking points and their weird, myopic rhetorical style."
This is an excellent lecture (though admittedly quite long) which provides some much needed context on these issues.
The University of Chicago: Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
The Maidan revolution happened because the Ukrainian parliament had been working on a trade agreement with the EU. Then Russian puppet Yanukovych gets elected and through Russian pressure discards this agreement completely. The Ukrainian people tired of living under Putins boot, much like Belarusian people still do, had a revolution which lead to the police killing many people. Once the revolution was over Russia immediately invaded Crimea. Painting Ukrainian independence not as an act of self determination but as American meddling is Russian propaganda. Painting Russian military invasion not as a military invasion but requirement from western aggression is also Russian propaganda. Stop supporting authoritarian regimes, they’re not your friend. Something the Ukrainian people have had to learn with their blood.
Living under Putin's boot? What? So now you get to live under Goldman Sachs and Blackrocks boot while all leftist parties are banned in the Ukraine and everything is sold off to foreign investors. And while we're talking about authoritarian regimes there are a bunch of people in Gitmo that have never been tried, still in jail. Julian Assange in jail. More people in jail than any other country in history is the current US record. Please. Tell me all about authoritarian regimes lol
I did not know that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was a Russian propaganda outlet.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-during-ukraine-uprising-investigation-finds-1.3148719
Could you elaborate on the „coup“? Are you talking about the democratic elections that took place?
They probably mean Ukrainian citizens ditching a 'democratically elected' president who they didn't like, because he tried to make Ukraine more Russian than European.
But that is still a democracy in work, when this is what most of citizens want. Especially when later democratic elections prove that (as it happened in Ukraine). Russia should not intervene, but they did and this destabilized the situation.
Democracy isn't a violent street putsch forcing the elected president to flee the country.
Google Victoria Newland saying 'yatz is our guy'
I'm quite prepared to believe the US is involved here. There are lots of weapon sales and talk of investing in the rebuild.
Follow the money
They're authoritarian and they hate the west. Of course they're appealing to communists.
Western commies idolising brutal authoritarian regimes is nothing new.
Because for them hate for the west comes first and foremost, and after that comes their ideology. That’s why anyone who opposes the west is good in their eyes.
because they are campists: if america bad, then everyone who opposes america good. support for land-grabbing nationalists like putin is one thing, but some even support iranian government
Removing under rule #2 - this is political and the question is already slanted.
Are political questions out of scope for this community? There is no rule like that in the sidebar.
In "Community Info" rule 2 says they don't have the bandwidth to moderate political discussion.
*Not taking a side, just supplying information.
Yeah, maybe I should try to read more carefully.
Basically because there's enough people on the planet that some are going fall into any camp that gets created. People seek their own identities, which sometimes involves moving away from things other people are believing in.
Possibly an adaptation to keep the species from getting too complacent, which we're a little inclined towards otherwise, probably due to our social nature. It's a vulnerable state though, can't have the whole species going extinct every time an ice age comes.
Comparing China to Russia is laughable.
One has a competent government the other doesn't.
All the more perplexing that there’s Putin support.
It's bizarre. Both countries have moved away from communism. Russia is ruled by oligarchs. Xi-Jinping's stated goals are to move China to a modern socialist nation while staying in keeping with China's culture. His actions are the opposite—China has become more and more capitalist while maintaining authoritarian leadership.
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