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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by DeadNinja@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

Basically title.

My basic physics knowledge says that the larger chips - near the top of a bag of chips - are not "stable", they are kinda precariously balanced only at one or two points. But once the brittle chips break down, they tend to settle at the bottom because the crumbles are more "stable" there, and are at a lower state of potential energy.

Just my own theory, but would like to know what others think here.

Edit : Does this question not belong to this community ? I couldn't explain the downvotes..

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[-] Nemo@midwest.social 34 points 9 months ago

Little ones can slip through the cracks in the big ones, innit

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

The Brazil Nut Effect is what you are observing also known as Granular Convection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granular_convection

[-] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Thanks ! This is it.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Say it with me now: gravity.

[-] AmidFuror@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

TIL that gravity pulls harder on crumbs with smaller mass than full chips!

If the crumbs get small enough, they form a black hole.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

i've seen an explanation of 'avalanche vs skier' physics by comparing it to a box of cereal. basically the smaller pieces slip through gaps between bigger ones and end up at the bottom.

that's why inflatable backpacks got invented. to make the skier as big as possible to avoid getting buried.

[-] Magickmaster@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago

It's known as the 'Brazil nut effect', technically apparently Granular Convection: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granular_convection It's apparently not fully explained, but theories suggest things like buoyancy, or that larger particles are blocked from sinking by smaller particles, which on the other hand can slip below the larger ones.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Picture what the inside of the bag would look like with the small stuff near the top. There'd be all this open space below it that it could fit into. In theory it could sit there as long as it isn't agitated, but if the bag is jostled then gravity is going to do its thing pretty quickly.

[-] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I tend to think about it as density. Smaller chunks can be more tightly packed together, and are therfore more dense. As long as there is a way for the stuff to flow (i.e. shaking the bag), gravity will pull denser stuff to the bottom.

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Isn’t the answer just gravity? Or am I missing something here. I never had a higher education.

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago

Kinda. Gravity is acting equally on all the chips but the smaller the chip the more gaps they are small enough to pass through, so the smallest chips end up at the bottom, collectively holding up the bigger chips.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago

The larger chips are more buoyant

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