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Why does every small appliance or useful home electronics item have the BRIGHTEST LEDs in them?

I bought a new fan for our bedroom Sunday. It has 4 speed settings, and LEDs to display which setting you're on.

Just like every other electrical device in our bedroom, I had to cover the LEDs with electrical tape because they are TOO DAMM BRIGHT. That one light was more than bright enough for me to see in the room with all the lights off.

I can't sleep well if there's a lot of light like that, especially blue light, and it's like every fucking electronics manufacturer used the same extra bright blue LEDs.

All of our power strips have them. Same brightness.

The fans have them.

Don't even get me started on digital clocks and the plague of bright LEDs that they bring about

Many charging plugs have them built into the plug itself.

Even some fucking light switches have them now!

I have about 6 different things in our bedroom that have electrical tape over their completely unnecessary LEDs.

Why has this become such a common thing? Is this really something most people want? To have a room that is never actually dark even with the lights turned off?

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 117 points 2 years ago

Electrical tape to black it out.

Painters tape to dim it.

[-] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 26 points 2 years ago

You can actually buy tinted tape to dim them without completely blacking them out. So you can take your clock from “bright enough to keep your entire bedroom lit” to “just bright enough to read in the dark.”

Found out while watching Technology Connections. Bright blue monochromatic LEDs are one of his biggest pet peeves, and he mentioned the tinted tape off-hand in one of his videos.

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[-] Russianranger@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

The electrical tape approach is what I did and it did wonders. Went from having a myriad of green and blue LEDs on my fans/portable AC/etc to complete wonderful darkness when I retired for the night. Made a distinct difference in my ability to fall asleep faster at night. I hate having lights when going to bed. Darkness or bust.

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[-] brad@toad.work 93 points 2 years ago

I get to be that guy! I'm so excited!

In power strips, the lights are (in the overwhelming majority of cases) actually a neon bulb! They're cheaper for that specific purpose because they can be powered directly off of the mains power with a single resistor.

Your point is entirely valid and I bear the same cross, this is just a fun fact you can use to impress colleagues, strangers, and potential lovers, dazzling them with your deep esoteric knowledge of and passion for illuminators in power strips.

[-] c2h6@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Hah, this is what I liked the most about reddit - learning random bits of knowledge about things I knew nothing about. I'm glad to see this happen here too!

[-] artifice@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago
[-] oce@jlai.lu 24 points 2 years ago

It was a website from the old times of the internet, where people behind pseudonyms could freely discuss links and texts inside thematic communities.

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[-] aeharding@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago

Car headlight are too fucking bright nowadays

[-] Breno@lemmy.fmhy.ml 32 points 2 years ago

People driving around like they're trying to spot kangaroos in the suburbs

[-] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Especially when they're in one of those God-ugly American Pickup Trucks with headlights that are right at eye level for anyone in a normal car. Even being followed by a forty year old Mack semi isn't nearly as bad, because they've at least got sealed beam headlights.

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[-] VenomsCarnage22@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Agreed. I can't tell when people are driving with their high beams on anymore.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

My pet peeve is not just the brightness, but the blueness. These things are fucking blue raspberry slurpee blue. Paired with a very reddish orange turn signal they come up behind me and indicate and I think I'm getting pulled over for a sec.

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[-] SageWaterDragon@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago

I have a similar complaint about almost all "gamer gear" having RGB lighting. Why would I want that? I'm not even opposed to the "gamer" aesthetic of a lot of sharp lines and strong colors, I think that can look really good, but when my mousepad has RGB it's time to blow the whistle and stop all manufacturing until we can figure out what's going on.

[-] tomthegeek@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

Buying RAM recently and people are reviewing the fucking RGB instead of the performance. Like, WTF are you doing with your life? I managed to find some without gratuitous lighting effects thankfully.

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[-] Saigonauticon@voltage.vn 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I design electronics sometimes. Generally, people want an indicator light on their product, since it's a cheap way to show the state of a system.

The main problem is, the human eye adapts to darkness. You can still clearly see an LED in a dark room when a few microamperes pass through them, but then they are useless in brighter light in that case. There's no specific amount of current that produces light that's bright enough in a lit room, but isn't too bright in a dark room.

I can fix that by occasionally turning off the LED and measuring voltage across it (LEDs detect light in addition to emitting it), then dimming it if I'm in a dark room. However, this is quite complicated to do and requires a capable microcontroller and a pretty ninja embedded systems programmer. Most product developers I know won't think of specifically doing this.

Finally, I can save 0.1 cents (plus board space plus assembly complexity, which cost more) by connecting an LED directly to the pins of a microcontroller instead of using a resistor to limit current. Some microcontrollers specifically allow this, up to 10 or 20 milliamperes, which is enough to be too bright in some contexts already. Margins on hardware manufacture are extremely thin, so optimizing even 1 cent off a board is pretty important.

All of this together leads to a lot of LED proliferation, which I' don't like either. The stuff I build for myself often has a way to control the LED brightness, although this would be too expensive to add to a consumer product as a general rule. For small devices, there's a tilt switch inside that turns off the indicator LEDs if you turn it upside down and hold it for a few seconds. That way you can just reach over at night and fix it without fiddling for switches or controls.

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[-] Veraxis@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

Electrical engineer here who also does hobby projects. I'm with you. I think some of the reason may be that modern GaN-type green or blue LEDs are absurdly efficient, so only a couple mA of drive current is enough to make them insanely bright.

When I build LEDs into my projects, for a simple indicator light, I might run them at maybe only a tenth of a milliamp and still get ample brightness to tell whether it is on or not in a lit room. Giving them the full rated 10 or 20mA would be blindingly bright. I also usually design most things with a hard on/off switch so they can be turned all the way off when not in use.

Of things I own normally I also have two power strips with absurdly bright LEDs to indicate the surge protection. It lights up my whole living room with the lights off. If I had to have something like that in my bedroom, I would probably open it up and disconnect the LEDs in some way, or maybe modify the resistor values to run at the lowest current I could get away with.

I feel like designers have lost sight of the fact that these lights are meant to be indicators only-- i.e. a subtle indication of the status of something and not trying to light a room-- and yet they default to driving them at full blast as if they were the super dim older-gen LEDs from 20+ years ago.

[-] Landrin201@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I think it's a cost thing. It's cheaper to get these blue LEDs than the old, dimmer green ones, so they buy these instead and change nothing else. It would cost money to change the resistor value, so they don't bother. Instead they take the same boad, stick the new LED on it, and ship it that way.

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[-] Sinthesis@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Next level pro-tip: Use a "dot" or dab of dark nail polish to tone down the intensity. It's more permanent than the tape method but will allow you to see if the LED is on or off so doesn't remove functionality.

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Because they’re cheap and look “modern/futuristic” so shit manufacturers love them. I have also used electrical tape on power strips, chargers, smoke detectors, etc

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[-] damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have a lamp and that has an LED that is on all the time.

Why would a lamp have a permanently on LED? That's what I get for getting cheap crap from China, rather than premium crap from China.

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[-] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 years ago

I don't seem to find it mentioned: LEDs at night are terrible for your sleep, especially the blue ones. Among other things they suppress the melatonin release.

An article that goes into more detail and provides a citations for further research.

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[-] godless@latte.isnot.coffee 35 points 2 years ago

Agree. When my DVD player back in 2000 came with a bright blue power-on LED, that crap started to bother me. Sitting right under the TV, so watching anything in a darkened room means I had that fucker blinding me all the time. Nothing a little duct tape can't fix, but that's not exactly helping.

Ever since I've been actively avoiding devices where I can't dim & disable the LEDs.

[-] Chancli@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

It's hard to find a PC case that doesn't look like a disco.

[-] himbocat@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You actually have to pay a premium to avoid lightshow pc hardware nowadays. If i had to guess, someone over at marketing for these companies figured out that people who want blacked out hardware skew older or professional and are willing to pay.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago

Or how every appliance needs to have an alarming beeeeeeep to alert you its done. Like its cool that you finished sterilizing our babies bottles but it wasn't really urgent...

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago

I miss the days of red LEDs. I understand blue were new and novel at one point but that's passed.

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[-] Nilz@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 years ago

I recently bought new USB-C cables to use on my nightstand and when they arrived I saw they have an LED ring with a flowing rainbow pattern. Are you kidding me? Just why.

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[-] Bazzatron@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

The team that invented blue LEDs won a nobel prize.

Now every fucking item in my room has a beacon that would put the eye of fucking Sauron to shame.

100% agree with you, and have started destroying LEDs where possible.

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[-] DesertMagma@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

I've taken too darkening them with a sharpie.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What drives me nuts is all of the light fixtures that have Integrated LED bulbs in them.

They make regular LED bulbs to put into fixtures, there's no reason for the stupid integrated LEDs. LED bulbs give you the option of choosing brightness and tone.

And sure, integrated bulbs may be rated to last 20 years, but the circuitry and drivers controlling those bulbs are not. You'll be lucky to get 5 years out of it, and then you have to toss the whole thing away and buy a new one and install it again.

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[-] LDRMS@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

I don’t know if this is the right place to complain about this but since it’s LED related.. Why are all the automakers putting the brightest fucking LED’s in their new vehicles now?? They are legit brighter then how high beams used to be only a few years back!!

What did we all used to do when headlights used to be slightly yellow??

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[-] oleorun@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I have opened up devices to physically remove the led. SMD LEDs stand no chance against a steady hand and a precision flathead screwdriver.

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[-] abalyes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago

You’ve reminded to tape off the blinking blue LED on my monitor, it’s been driving me nuts when I’m trying to sleep!

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago

Why has this become such a common thing? Is this really something most people want? To have a room that is never actually dark even with the lights turned off?

The gradual spread of light pollution has gotten crazy, and people still don't really notice it. We're at the point that it's actually driving insects to extinction. If you look somewhere rural vs. urban the difference in what constitutes "night" is mindblowing, and rural areas are getting brighter all the time themselves.

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

I've been covering LEDs with tape the last 20 years, televisions and media players in particular. Who in their right mind decides to build a DVD player with a damn blue laser led in the front panel to blind your movie experience?

Smoke detectors that blink once every ten minutes to let you know that there is nothing going on, with a light that could be mistaken for an electrical fire. Open up, cover LED hole with tape, careful not to disrupt smoke sensing capabilities, close up. Now the LED is visible when looking for it.

Get yourself a cheap pack of various coloured electrical tapes. Tin foil when it's not enough.

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[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

From an electronic tech perspective... I've been replacing the LEDs in anything that annoys me with a dull red and a resistor valued to keep it barely visible. It's a tad more eloquent than tape. Most things don't need a led at all. I'd love to see manufacturers switch to an e paper solution with a simple "on" or "off" displayed. And I hate standby led's.

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[-] Stan@lemmywinks.com 16 points 2 years ago

Thought I read somewhere it’s cheaper to get these super bright LEDs, so they use those rather than something easier on the eye.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

I work in IT, LEDs are useful for diagnostics.

Why blue? No idea.

Who asked for this? Nobody, as far as I can tell.... They just switched, and didn't ask anyone for an opinion on it.

Why so bright? Because modern LEDs are generally pretty darn bright.... When these are used as an indicator instead of an actual light source, I'm scratching my head just as much as you are. I'm immune to the light problem when sleeping; I understand some have that problem, but it's not me. Generally I'm unbothered by device LEDs, but I'm not the majority. I'd rather go back to the old, barely visible LEDs used on 386 computers, they did the job and didn't burn a hole in your retina doing it.

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[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 16 points 2 years ago

I hate this trend.

I'm quite sensitive to light, and some of these LED's are stupid.

[-] exploding_whale@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Obviously you need that idle indicator light to give off more lumens than a 2D Maglite all night long right?

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I used to work in electronics manufacturing. I won't give my title because it was a shit title and didn't describe what I did well at all. I think that was on purpose to keep our salaries low.

I engineered final assembly test systems. Like the product fully completed. Most of these devices were commercial in nature.

My man, the testers fucking LOVED LEDs. Because LEDs not turning on correctly always means the device fails.

I hated them, because was really fucking hard to automate testing of LEDs. LEDs emit a wavelength, or combination of RGB. Because of the brilliance of my sales engineers, we used computer vision to automate this testing, NOT sensors. The reasoning? Much denser LED placements.

But guess what happens when your supply chain and manufacutirng is entirely Chinese and your product is designed and prototyped and originally manufactured here? YOU GET THE WRONG FUCKING COLOR CALIBRATED. I'm not shitting you, it was a tiny difference in Red wavelength. Tiny. but computer vision doesn't read wave length, it reads color.

LEDs make testing easy for humans. If you just need to see them light up? Everything is great. Bonus points for brighter LEDs for faster moving tests. Faster moving tests = more profit. Human testers means you don't spend money on automated testing and and can quickly repurpose humans to see if an LED is on.

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[-] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

My in-laws power outlets throughout the whole house have always on LEDs on them. It drives me crazy. My mother in law likes it and says they are like night lights, but the whole house is so bright at night.

[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

I think we should also have a review on non-functional (decorative) LEDs on the gadgets we buy, especially those cheap chargers that decide to light up the whole room with blue.

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[-] pectoralis@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

I know your rage.

I ended up buying LED dimming stickers off Amazon and went hog wild on all the devices in the house.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

There's specialty stickers? What do they do that tape can't?

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[-] StupendousMan@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I regularly take nail polish and paint over these infernal LEDs in layers until they are at a brightness that I find acceptable. Red are not so bad, but blue LEDs area nightmare. I have a cheap Chinese headlamp were the blue battery indicator is brighter than the red led for illumination, and the blue reflects off my glasses into my eyes.

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