Yep this will stop them making tiktoks alright
The article is about them leaving class to go make tiktoks in the bathroom, and in the article the admin claims that it has lead to "Not as many visits to the bathroom, not staying as long" so it's working, apparently. Nothing do with attempting to stop them outright from making videos.
Why not just ban smartphones in school? There's ample research now that they're harmful to teen mental health
I know a few schools in my area tried to institute zero tolerance no phones rule and the screaming from parents was loud enough that they gave up. One of the big sticking points was because of school shootings. Another was that schools have been bad about getting kids on the bus, that kids are getting lost or even ending up in bus depots at the end of the day.
I think a good middle ground might be to ban smartphones but not phones entirely. If you want your kid to be able to call you, buy them a nokia or something without internet capabilities
I mean the real reason is that parents are almost as bad as their kids with their phones. They have become accustomed to texting their children throughout the day.
There are better tools these days than blanket prohibition.
The signals that voice and data go over are different from each other, so not all modern cellphone jammers jam the entire spectrum. Some can be set up to allow voice calls over the traditional channels while jamming data. This forces students to use the school’s wifi network for any Internet connectivity, whereupon their connectivity to apps and services can be whitelisted/blacklisted as deemed necessary by system admins.
Ergo, a system that keeps students off of their smartphones while allowing parental connectivity.
Yeah, because schools have thousands of dollars to spend on high-end cellphone jammers when they can't even pay their teachers a decent wage.
Imagine jamming cell signal then an emergency happens. Oh the liability payout would be massive. And they say schools are underfunded now.
I feel that might be an issue from 4G onwards, considering VoLTE and VoNR are intended to avoid the use of a separate voice network to their existing data network
You can’t take them, because the district is worried they’ll get sued if one breaks. Your option is to tell the parent, and the parent will 80% come up with some bullshit excuse or accuse you of targeting their child. I worked one district that had a form we could fill out - after getting caught three times they were supposed to turn the phone in. Never happened.
Please. Do. Not. Send. Your. Child. To. School. With. A. Smartphone. DONT.
They are addicted. We’ve given them tech that adults can’t even manage to responsibly use. They don’t know how to be bored or curious. The behavior is just strange - when I’ve been fuck it and just taken a phone - they regress. 15 year olds babbling and throwing tantrums like toddlers.
Id feel safer sending my kid to school without a smartphone if I wasn't scared there would be a school shooting or some other reason my kid would need to call me for help. I get the sense a lot of other parents feel that way too.
My kids are still too young for that but when they are in high school and maybe depending on the middle school I'll probably start thinking about a phone of some kind.
Also my kids are bored all the time haha. Taking away their tablet or games is the best punishment most of the time when they argue. We are big on drawing over here though. Hard to stop a kid from drawing lol.
In a school shooting situation, cell phones could make things much worse. During my active shooter training, we were told to ask students to turn them off if we were in a shooting. The noise is an obvious danger, but the lines need to be kept clear for communication with emergency response personnel. There would be structured ways that the school would want to communicate with you - they don’t want the chaos of parents showing up to an active scene. I think it would be better to rely on things like the Rave app.
In other situations, the front office is there. That is the function that they have served for generations. Give the office aides something to do.
There’s just little reason for students to have smart phones in school. They cannot control themselves. We are asking them to have more self restraint than most adults do. It is not developmentally appropriate and it is harmful.
Good luck banning them from schools
I spent 12 years in American public school during which greater than 70% of the student body had cell or smart phones and 100% of them were successfully banned. If the phone is visible during the school day and you aren't currently receiving a phone call from the President or from your parents on their way to the hospital, phone goes in the teacher's desk. You get it back at the end of the day.
Its not that difficult at all.
they kinda are Ireland, in primary school mostly but even in secondary school teachers are allowed to take your phone for 3 days if they see you on it
If I had a kid I'd straight up tell them do not listen to anyone who tells you you cant keep your phone on you, get in trouble if you must and I'll take care of the rest. If it becomes a distraction Ill deal with it as a parent, but the last thing I want is a kid caught in any kind of emergency without even a chance to phone help.
"But the teacher has a phone"
Okay I dont care. What if the teacher becomes the emergency? What if the teacher steps outside to see what that noise is and doesn't come back? Not leaving the safety of someone im responsible for in someone elses hands.
I can teach a kid anything they miss in elementary school. I can't re-alive the dead.
I said "smartphones" not all phones. If I had a kid, I'd get them a flip phone so they could call or text me, but one without internet capabilities
So now they need to pull their phones out to see themselves. That’s totally logical.
Middle school removes mirrors so as to not distress vampires.
Or how about you give the kids extra space to let them practice their creativity?
Or how about those kids get back to class since they're at school.
The school could provide a time and space for learning how to make better videos. It doesn't have to be a fuck off and make tiktoks in lieu of going to curriculum classes. Make it something akin to a vocational class, even if an extra-curricular. Less a space for kids to fuck off during the day to make lame tiktoks and more of a means of teaching video production and the things that go into it. Photography, editing software, basic equipment operation, how to properly record audio, lighting, all of that type off thing.
This may sound ridiculously expensive, but I have seen schools have classes, and clubs, that do just this for just over two thousand dollars. This won't stop kids from being disruptive with whatever bullshit is popular at the time, nothing will, but it can enrich those that do these things with actual interest in the craft.
I hope that works better for other schools than it did for mine.
Most of the students that went to the school that I went to opted for a "spare" class instead of taking photography, business, arts, programming, or any of the other creative courses. The tools were there in my case, but most people just ignored them in favour of being able to leave school early, or in favour of taking an extra long lunch. They ignored the after school stuff too, because they wanted to spend time with their friends somewhere else.
We had a pretty good photography course too, they covered almost everything and there was even an option to take it for multiple years/grades if you wanted to learn even more about it. The kids at my school who usually did things like Tik Tok and Vine in the bathroom didn't seem to really care for those courses. Social media was just fun for them, they never intended on making anything of it.
There has to be some solution that we aren't seeing yet. There has to be some common ground between "let the kids do whatever they want, regardless of their education" and "dystopian hell".
It would also help if kid's parents were more involved overall, although you could also argue that a huge part of the cause is the insane hours that many of the parents have to spend working to let the family survive.
This all sucks. I hope someone is able to make your idea work, truly. We need a solution, asap.
GOP's master plot of defunding public schools is years in the making in NC. Teacher pay, at least before I left, was one of the worst in the nation. As a result, this is sadly on point for the area.
Well, sure, but not the bathroom. I don't need my bathroom activities accidentally included, visually or acoustically, in someone's TikTok
So many people always seem determined to completely suck the joy out of schools, like it's the 1950s again. Everything is so strict and anti-fun.
TikTok and social media in general are popular amongst kids today. That's just how it is. I think schools should try to embrace youth trends and find creative ways to incorporate them into the learning environment.
Kids: press switch to front-facing camera button anyways
Most profile pictures I see suggest they don’t know this button even exists.
It's funny how this repeats every generation.
20 years back, my school removed mirrors in both the men's and women's washrooms, girls kept leaving lipstick on the mirrors, and the guys kept drawing on them with Sharpies.
They even removed toilet paper and hand towels because kids kept soaking it in water and throwing it up on the ceiling.
After that they even removed all the doors to the stalls in the men's because kids kept leaving black marker "doodles" on them (ie. graffiti).
On my third year they ended up painting everything a very dark green colour. This included the walls, stalls and the ceiling to cover up all the black marker. The green made it almost impossible to make our any new graffiti added in black marker.
Was anyone else here brave enough to shit without a stall door? I had so much anxiety as a kid, but when u gotta go u gotta go.
Some kids tried to bully me and I was just like... I'm taking a shit, we all do it so fuck off. Still nerve wracking tho
Back in my day they removed mirrors so we wouldn't summon Bloody Mary.
Given that mirrors have never been an issue before TikTok, maybe, just maybe, the problem is elsewhere?
15-18 years ago when camera phones became commonly available for teenagers, but before front-facing cameras were built-in, we took selfies in the mirrors all day, most often to then upload them on our local pre-fb social media site for young people... I refuse to believe we were the only ones doing that.
However, I agree, that doesn't mean the mirrors are the "problem". Rather, there seem to be misaligned interests between the kids (some more interested in socializing, attention-seeking, being popular etc.) and the State-owned public schools (probably more interested in turning the kids into obedient "valuable citizens"). I think it's better to reform the system than trying to deform the kids, but removing the mirrors doesn't seem like the needed change...
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