I love all the comments saying "yeah well that stuff isn't free someone has to maintain it"

YOU'RE PAYING 100K FOR A FUCKING CAR

That's the payment. That's what they get their money from.

Wanting more in perpetuity is fucking stupid no matter what the excuse is.

you should absolutely choose a vehicle without subscriptions, and make a point of stating it at time of purchase

this is your one moment to make a difference

And then you can't use it when the temp is 0F because they decide to do some maintenance

Worth noting that these features appear to require your car to be connected to a cellular network. This isn’t the same as BMW charging a fee for heated seats.

They could have just put a SIM card in your car and required you to pay your cell phone provider for a connection.

The crazy thing is that at the price you are paying for a friggin telluride they could easily raise the price by a few hundred (ie several years worth of subscription) and it would be unlikely to shift sales by much at all but would not piss off the buyers like this. You can't put this crap on your car loan either. I really get the sense there is a conspiracy level concerted effort to try to indoctrinate generation Z into allowing every corporation they deal with to stick an IV into their bank accounts.

This type of subscription is actually kiiiiinda understandable because the company has to maintain servers, staff and keep the software secure because they're handling sensitive data such as location etc.

I also remember that BMW I think? Had a heated seat subscription and that's really not justifiable imo

I own a Kia. I don't enjoy the subscription anymore than the next guy but I'm calling bullshit.

The only features behind a pay wall are the ones the app provides. The ones that require an always on internet connection and server infrastructure to maintain.

None of the in-car features are limited. The remote start on my key fob, seat heaters, onboard nav, all work fine without a subscription.

This isn't like the crap bmw was pulling with the seat heaters.

Fuck sakes. Those features were free on my 2020 Telluride.

Simple. Buy an older car and spend the extra money maintaining it. Reducing demand is the only language consumers have that businesses understand.

It doesn't have to be ancient; even 5-10 year old cars don't have this bullshit.

or.. we just need more FOSS alternatives to the car manufacturers proprietary OS.

I already see GH issues like: "breaks stop working when going above 200mph."

"You wouldn't download a car."

I would absolutely hack the heated seats to work without my credit card.

While I'm generally against subscriptions, for the most part the above are things that require cellular service and cloud infrastructure...

While the price may be too high. I'm normally ok with subscriptions for things that have on-going costs to the seller.

Even better, an open source car!

To find a car and control it remotely will need a server. That's why it's not free.

it looks like only way is to somehow imitate their API and change those links in the car. I think it would be cool to selfhost such server.

I might be the guy that shows up at the revolution for the most trivial reason but I hate that it says $59.00 per annually like companies think they're so smart for having business school graduates on staff charging for things only business school graduates would think to charge for but they can't even get basic grammar right.

Lol, I pirate public transport every day

These features require the cloud, which costs money and uses carbon. If you don't want them, as many don't, you shouldn't have to force the company to price them in at the purchase.

There is not one single new car on the market that I would take possession of if you gave it to me for free. I like having a manual transmission and a radio with buttons.

You wouldn’t download [the basic features of an item you already purchased.]