Why does the "sole remaining Superpower nation" bow to a small onery loud mouthed pseudo-nation? Which one is in charge? Curious.
Because taking them to task implies that supporting them for the last seventy years might have been a mistake.
We're Americans. We don't quit just because we're wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right!
Also, turn out at the polls. Certain Christian voting blocks think supporting Israel is critical for end of days prophecies. And some swing districts have old retirees that show up to vote and have sympathy for Israel.
One reason is that they're a militarily important foothold for our presence in the middle east. Same goes for the UK.
It seems like people genuinely do not know about the nukes that Israel definitely does not possess wink wink. Kinda changes the dynamic a little bit, I think.
“If there were not an Israel, we’d have to invent one.” ~Joe Biden
The State is absolutely necessary to U.S. interests in the Middle East.
Seems that this policy didn't age well. SA is getting closer to Iran, China is everywhere, Turkey is shaping its own regional policy. There's no much room anymore for Yankee interference in the Middle-East. Even the US government wants to refocus much of its foreign policy toward Asia-Pacific.
Israel has spent decades building a powerful lobbying bloc in Washington. American-Israel PAC is one of the top 3 donors of Congress competing with NRA. They made ties with evangelicals and give free vacations to Israel for every politician. They establish ties with both major political parties and spend millions to defeat any congressman who criticizes Israel.
Because they have nukes and would use them on their neighbors.
While screaming and crying about how all those neighbors hate them
To be fair, they do. Iran, Jordan, and Egypt have tried repeatedly to eliminate Israel entirely.
It was because they started illegally stealing land, causing havoc in the region, you don’t steal others house and then wonder why they want to destroy yours
I am afraid those conspiracy theorists were somewhat right, just replace jews with Israel
Your fears are unfounded, and your quickness to jump to them is unsettling.
The US and UK rely on israel playing nice in order to maintain a base and foothold in the region.
If israel did or does anything that actually threatened either nation, the soft hand would firm up quickly. But to these leaders, the genocide of brown people is little more than a minor PR problem. Not an actually threatening problem for their countries. So they see no reason to risk their foothold.
Netanyahu himself has said that US is easily manipulated, biden is (seemingly) constantly trying to pressure him to stop, but constantly sending support, and UK is doing no shit
My point is that if Israel has this much power, it is definitely a worry-some situation for anyone who is not in the US and UK, which is like 95% of the people, this situation has destabilized the middle east, putting so many lives at stake, but no one seems to give a fuck
If Israel did anything that threatened either nation, the soft hand would firm up
Israel is probably not gonna drop bombs on the US, so idk about that, but the thing Israel can influence the US, but the US can’t seem to be able to influence Israel
His true colours are on full display, yet many still try to say this is not genocide.
It's sick to the core.
UK's David Cameron: "to suggest there's genocidal intent? I do believe that's wrong"
They'll bend over backwards to support Israel, and people are asking what Israel has over the UK to make it so. At some point, answers will have to be given.
Read some British history. This is their last colony and they are very determined to keep it
I just wish there was some historical example to show how it's wrong to eliminate an entire group of people. Then, they could teach the Israeli government that the systematic removal of a group of people is wrong. But none such example exists. We need to build a great hall that tells of the cost of life by war and hatred. It will be called the great Hall of Cost.
There were Zionists in Israel who were actually supportive of the Nazis, both because they hated the British that much, and because they thought that if the Nazis forced the Jews out of Europe, those Jews would move to Mandatory Palestine to take up arms and exterminate the Arabs.
The Stern Gang, otherwise known as the Lehi terrorist organization (and later integrated directly into the IDF as it formed) actually used Nazi race "science" to claim that Jews were a superior race and should exterminate the Arabs who lived in the area. The Stern Gang actually tried to field troops in support of the Nazis in Europe. They tried repeatedly until 1942. The Nazis said no.
Fun fact; Netanyahu's political party formed in the 1980s, as a fusion of two other right-wing parties. The first part leader and Netanyahu's mentor was a former member of Lehi, and as prime minister gave all surviving terrorists medals "for their service in creating the State of Israel".
The other two paramilitary organizations that folded into the IDF were also full of terrorists.
I don't see why they continue to give weapons to Israel. Just cut them off.
Many US voters see Israel as the way to get to the end times, Judgement Day. Not doing whatever Israel wants is political suicide.
That we allow religion to hold such massive sway is such a point of shame for our species, and out countries.
That and the US military use Israel to test weapons in combat operations. The same idea is why they are so willing to aid Ukraine.
This shit has to stop. Israël under Likoud has turned into a rogue state, fighting a ruthless war on Palistian people, justifying the war for its own corrupt leaders. US and European governments must realize that Israel is not their ally anymore. It has become a liability and will not do anything for them
Israël under Likoud has turned into a rogue state, fighting a ruthless war on Palistian people, justifying the war for its own corrupt leaders
Always has been.
Both are true. It has always been the case, and yet Likud and the country at large have both definitely shifted hard to the right in the last 10 years.
The really tragic thing is that this is a unique opportunity to establish a Palestinian state with the kind of global support and Arab investment that it would need to succeed.
Most Israelis want nothing to do with an extended stay in Gaza. Another leader in Israel would be able to make it happen, along with ANY serious leadership from Palestine. Abbas is useless, and Haniyeh is delighted to send wave after wave of martyrs at Israel while cashing the aid checks.
The US invasion of Afghanistan post 9/11 was a unique opportunity to establish democracy in Afghanistan. That didn't exactly work out.
Another leader in Israel would be able to make it happen, along with ANY serious leadership from Palestine.
There's the crux of the problem. There have been opportunities for a Palestinian state in the past. It failed because there isn't any good leadership among Palestinians. So I'm not sure how this is actually an opportunity for Palestinian statehood.
I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. I wish this was a non-violent resistance movement lead by someone that believed in peace and democracy. Then a Palestinian state would be a no-brainer. But unfortunately that's just not the scenario. Palestinian leaders are corrupt and if a Palestinian state were declared it would likely be a failed state.
Afghanistan returning back to what it was before isn't as big a deal to Americans because it's not on the border of the US. A Palestinian failed state (which is basically what Gaza has been for the last decade and a half) would be on the border of Israel, within rocket range of any terrorist groups that can be supplied by Iran.
I wish this was a non-violent resistance movement lead by someone that believed in peace and democracy.
A lot of people don't know this, but they tried this in 2018. It was called the Great March of Return. Gazaans tried protesting non violently for weeks, and faced a fierce violent response, but it was largely ignored by international news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
I wish this was a non-violent resistance movement lead by someone that believed in peace and democracy.
Exactly how Netanyahu wants it. He and his Israeli government were instrumental in the growth of Hamas and the failure of more moderate Palestinian leadership.
This isn't even some wack conspiracy theory. It's his own words.
The west bank is a good example of non-violent resistance. Last news the killed afew people in a village who were sheep herders.
Israel history have a long list of massacres of peaceful people, pretending that Israel having a moment of far right crazy people is just misleading. It is like saying Nazism was caused by Hitler and not the people who supported him and still support him and believes in Nazi agendas.
Israel want to control the great kingdom of Israel. Evangelical want Israel to establish the great kingdom of Israel. Alot of wealthy Zainoist want the great kingdom of Israel.
Pretending this is not the case make people believe in false hope like two states solutions.
The previous attempts also failed because the offer of Palestinian statehood was not actually sovereign statehood. Israel continually insists that they alone will be in charge of security matters for a Palestinian state.
It failed because there isn’t any good leadership among Palestinians.
How so? There was Yasser Arafat until 2004.
I wish this was a non-violent resistance movement lead by someone that believed in peace and democracy. Then a Palestinian state would be a no-brainer.
We had that and it failed. The result is the West Bank.
This "failed state" Palestine would be the most free they have been in the better part of a century. Having a right of return, protections from illegal settlers, representation in the UN etc. The last free election in Gaza was also a narrow win for Hamas, and stability of statehood would be quite deradicalizing
Hell, even just control over their own electric, water, and internet access would be a game changer for Gaza.
probably because the good up-and-coming leaders either got shot by IDF or recruited by Hamas, since there's not much job prospects inside Palestine and Hamas smuggles supplies in
Darn. now surely Biden is going to do something about it. Any second now...
The US when Israel openly does bad stuff: "We've done nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
Are we still doing this narrative that the US wants Israel to stop? They have literally given them billions since they've started bombing. Any bullshit about hoping for palestinians is just trying to save face.
Yes? There's a huge amount of inertia in US-Israeli relations but it's very clear at this point that Biden is yanking the leash and trying to reel Netanyahu into a path towards peace. They aren't going to stop supplying weapons any time soon (if ever), the first step would be explicit restrictions on what the weapons could be used for, and we're still a very long ways from that being considered publicly.
Israel doesn't give a shit what anyone else wants them to do. They're going to continue slaughtering the Palestinians and taking their land until someone physically prevents them.
I think the obscene amount of money we give them is more to do with our nation's whole 'military industrial complex' grift. Gotta keep those bombs blowing to keep the money flowing. As they say. I assume.
What country are they going to give to Palestinians after this Holocaust is over? Germany would be the ultimate irony.
Fuck off hitler
The Israeli flag is a hate symbol.
Netanyahu knows perfectly well that the US Administration are complete total bullshit masters that talk the talk whilst not walking the walk and that they're "relaxed about Genocide" as long as it's commited against non-whites (and for them nowadays Jews are whites).
It wasn't that long ago that in her speech in COP28 Kamala Harris said the US was putting pressure on Israel and then less than a week later the US vetoed in the UN Security Council a resolution for a Ceasefire in Gaza which would otherwise have passed.
(Also, I'm pretty sure that had Russia invaded a Post-Soviet state like Kazakhstan instead of a "white" one like Ukraine, the reaction from the Whitehouse would've been barelly audible).
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