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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The rest of that MLK Jr quote (part of a longer letter).

, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 years ago

Wow, the full quote is even better.

Fuck centrists.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 years ago

Shipping lanes are unironically more important than the Gaza genocide, the global shipping industry supports billions through food and fertilizer cargo.

Obviously the US needs to stop giving weapons to a genocidal regime, but acting surprised that they're more keen on protecting freedom of navigation just shows ignorance.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Here we have the moderate I was referring to.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, there's not much we can actually do.

It's not so much people care more, it's that rich people care more about losing money. Disrupted shipping costs the rich game points (aka $€£). They also have the ear, (and purse strings) of the elected officials.

I've been watching the shit the Israeli government etc (I try not to lump the Israeli people in with their psychos in charge) have been doing, for 20 years. I've yet to figure out what can actually be done to help the situation.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Speaking out is the best. Many people has been blinded by media showing Israel as: 1) legitimate state, 2) only democracy in the middle east, 3) great allies of the west, 4) only option for jew to live safely, 5) great tech and security, 6) only trying to portect itself.

Newer generation who can open wikipedia and read about it, see genocide unfolding in social media are able to learn the truth. So speaking out and educating people about past and current massacres is the best a powerleas person can do.

For example, massacres commited by Irgun and Haganah usually don't show up when you look for massacres committed by Israel eventhough both dissolved into current IDF and the current ruling party.

These people didn't attack only the Palestinians but also the British officials as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war?wprov=sfla1

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I've been trying. Unfortunately 20 years for no real gain gets demoralising. I've seen what Mossad can do first and 2nd hand. Small and peaceful groups infiltrated and disrupted. I've seen the footage of an aid ship being fired upon for no reason (the whole crew was on the top deck, with hands visible, as requested).

Given what I've seen, I fully understand what Hamas did (I don't agree, but understand, and can't think of a better option they should have taken).

At this point, I'm tired and jaded. If someone has a viable way to push forward a fix, I'd be up and helping, unfortunately I'm tired of spitting into the wind for no gain.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Damn good comment

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Lacking a cohesive social movement, we can only watch it play out, and educate ourselves on what needs to be done to pick up the pieces, unfortunately.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is demanding that America stop funneling weapons to Israel a moderate stance? Because that's what I said. Is there a specific part of my comment you take issue with or are you just gonna wave your hands and act fed up?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Shipping lanes are unironically more important than the Gaza genocide,

No, they are not. People dying is way more important than oil and consumer goods.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

14.5% of global food and fertilizer shipments transited the Suez in 2018. Higher shipping cost and delays on these goods means real food insecurity problems for millions of people. It's not just oil and plastic toys being moved through there.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Then free Palestine from Israel’s grasp, and the Houthi’s will stop. You want to stop a hypothetical genocide and allow a real one. That’s fucked up.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Did your post land in the wrong thread?

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

Maybe you missed this image attached with the post.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

If we're talking all shipping lanes you might have had a point, but just the suez? Nah absolutely not, ships can just divert.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're suggesting they modify shipping lanes and refueling stations to go all the way around south america instead, just at the drop of a hat?

EDIT: Africa... Whatever. Same concept.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No? Why the fuck would they go around South America to get to the Mediterranean?

[-] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I just thought at least one of the comments on your thread should be positive. I agree with your statements :)

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago

Why not both? Stop the genocide in Gaza and protect the Red Sea shipments which include food, medicine and equipment many in need depend on. What's with this either or shit. Do both.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

You're one of those all lives matter people, aren't you?

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago

I'm one of those "don't half ass shit" people. We (all of us) tend to have enough resources to do more but pick and choose out of convenience. Stop the genocide. Don't attack people trying to make a living. Don't deprive others out of resources, including the right to live without oppression.

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Global gas prices and shipping times are the two supply lines you don't fuck with durring a war because that just attracts the great eye of ~~Sauron~~ NATO. Genocide is A-OK though. I'm pretty sure that's written in the art of war somewhere.

I absolutely agree with your post. The priority and urgency is off balanced.

I'd argue that the shipping issue is a much more solvable solution, which is why more folks jumped into help it. Compared to the mess that is Gaza.

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Important distinction to be made here though: Would these factors impact someone important, like for example me or... me?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
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