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I’m sure women will be stoked to have Apple relocate them to a state that could kill them.

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 142 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Google is dropping the Assistant team, and Amazon is dropping the Alexa team. This sounds a lot like Apple is trying to avoid an explicit layoff and forcing employees to quit instead.

Constructive dismissal lawsuit?

Edit: see this comment https://sopuli.xyz/comment/6157509

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 9 months ago

Lawsuit of 100 people is laughable.

Tech will never unionize, and because of that, are just shilling for billionaires so they can one day make it big. LMAO

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The reason why American tech workers haven't unionized is because when times are good, they think they don't need a union, and when times are bad, it's far too late.

Source: reading too many of hopeless comments like this on hacker news

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 14 points 9 months ago

You only need 40 people to start a class-action lawsuit

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Nothing those employees can do, they're even being offered money and time off to move lol.

Legally, 0 actionable items for a suit.

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago

This is a clear example of constructive dismissal

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 7 points 9 months ago

Constructive dismissal isn’t illegal, it merely allows the employees to receive benefits and make claims as though they had been dismissed. California is an at-will employment state, so unless these employees have contracts stating otherwise (including the employee handbook, unless it has verbiage stating it is not legally binding), their dismissal is legal.

Apple is giving each employee who chooses to resign a $12.5k severance package. Assuming Apple doesn’t plan on fighting any unemployment claims made by these employees, what else you think they would be able to get after a successful lawsuit?

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[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago

Not constructive dismissal, because the goal isn't to place the burden on the employee. On whatever date, they will all be terminated without cause (layoff) if they choose not to relocate. There is no goal of forcing them to quit. Presumably, Apple has filed (or will file in due time) things like the WARN Act notification.

This is a PR move to hide the layoffs from the general public, but not from the law.

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[-] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 4 points 9 months ago

Even if it is constructively a dismissal, you can almost never sue someone for firing you in California.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 128 points 9 months ago

Let's not let Apple sugar coat. An appropriate title:

"Apple has layoffs and shadily tries to hide it"

[-] rauls4@lemm.ee 66 points 9 months ago

Siri has a quality control team? What do they do all day?

[-] Gregorech@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Emailing the funniest ones to each other?

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[-] pelley@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah I’m not in favor of constructive dismissal, but maybe these layoffs are justified….

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago

Apple spokesperson confirmed that the team, which listens to recordings of Siri interactions to make sure it responded appropriately, will “have the opportunity to continue their role with Apple in Austin.”

"have the opportunity"

[-] Gregorech@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

So a job you could do anywhere, wants you to do it somewhere else?

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 9 months ago

Almost 2x the amount going to the people who fuck off is obscene lmao.

You can move for 7k or quit for ~12.5k

Fuck you Apple, enjoy your suicide nets and spyware/POS OS

[-] Candybar121@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tesla did the same thing, and failed miserably when the majority of its workforce threatened to quit. Or at least thats what I read. Hopefully Apple fails too.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Although it’s a manual QA team. Of the folks in engineering with leverage, manual QA teams have the least. It’s the department that is one of the easiest to backfill.

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[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago

That's the point, this is just constructive dismissal.

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[-] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Because what Siri needs is less quality.

[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

For those that do relocate, Bloomberg writes they’ll be given $7,000 stipends, while Apple will offer the others four weeks of severance plus another week’s worth per year that they worked, as well as six months of health insurance.

It's a scumbag move to try and frame this as anything other than a layoff, but this seems fairly decent of Apple. Admittedly, I'm not sure how this compares to other severance packages though - can someone give context on how this measures up?

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[-] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Im sure they have some grand plan for the investors how many jobs they can replace with AI bullshit to increase those sweet-sweet numbers.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

So move to a place that will strip your human rights away if you're a woman or be laid off.

Nice.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Not to mention if you're trans. The thought of moving to Texas is terrifying.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago

all my homies hate ~~apple~~ billionaires.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

People just folded like soggy tortillas when the state and federal governments implemented the laws that allowed women to be killed. They folded by allowing these megacorporations to accrue dragon's hoard levels of wealth and by allowing lobbying to continue to exist. My sympathies are all but non-existent. People are allowing this type of stuff to happen to themselves because they think it won't happen to them.

[-] nomous@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

You're just as guilty friend, you're a people too. Or do you reserve your disdain for others?

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

I go out and take a stand against the police when protests happen in my area. I also don't whine about the government on social media, pretending that it will make any difference whatsoever.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But you do whine about people on social media, pretending that it will make any difference whatsoever.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 13 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The article reports that the staff was surprised by the relocation, which Apple had indicated would involve a move to another campus in San Diego by the end of January, rather than going to Texas.

Apple has mostly avoided layoffs as other companies have made heavy cuts over the last two years.

The San Diego team reportedly listens to Siri recordings in multiple languages, including Hebrew, English, Spanish, and Arabic.

Apple has generally been perceived as being behind the AI curve, at least when it comes to its digital assistant, despite using people to quality check Siri recordings, as Google and Meta also do.

That perception didn’t change with the introduction of LLMs, but Apple has been pouring vast resources into catching up, and it’s reportedly been courting news outlets to buy training data.

It recently released its so-called frameworks and libraries supporting AI development on code repositories and is working on optimizing LLMs for use on its iPhones.


The original article contains 348 words, the summary contains 159 words. Saved 54%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] reflex@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is Apple lookin' like a Lemon.

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