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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago

Germany knows a thing or two about genocide so it's surprising they're not seeing it in Gaza.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Germany is so ashamed of its history that no Israel atrocity can change that.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're not ashamed. Germans still hate Jews. The initial plan Hitler had was to move all the Jews to Madagascar.

The Madagascar Plan was a plan proposed by the Nazi German government to forcibly relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar. Franz Rademacher proposed the idea in June 1940

The Zionist thing is an easy excuse to make the Palestinians responsible for German crimes. Germany doesn't want israelis moving back.

The second reason Germany is simping this hard is that Germany wants Intel, which is an israeli company, to build more chip factories there. Thus they have to bow their heads to Zionists. Buy AMD kids.

[-] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Intel was founded by Americans in America and is, to this day, american.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] nomous@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Of Intels CEO Pat Gelsinger

Gelsinger and his wife Linda are Christians who "support multiple worthy causes", including sponsorship of disaster relief medical teams. In 2013, Gelsinger co-founded Transforming the Bay with Christ (TBC), a coalition of business leaders, venture capitalists, non-profit leaders and pastors that aims to convert one million people over the next decade. He helped establish the Sacramento-area Christian institution William Jessup University from which he also received an honorary doctorate.

Fuck.

Might be a good idea to buy AMD guys.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This comment is an absolute clusterfuck

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The idea of setting up Israel as a state was so that they could send the Jewish people there because it was thought that they would never be able to integrate into European society, iirc.

Buy AMD kids.

Oh, AMD sells kids now?

[-] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I hope so. I’m not paying double the price for raytraced kids

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Buddy a couple factories out of dozens around the world does not make them Israeli.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Indeed they do and they acknowledge their history, and why this doesn't apply:

In light of German history and the crimes against humanity of the Shoah, the German government is particularly committed to the (UN) Genocide Convention," signed in 1948 in the wake of the Holocaust, Hebestreit said.
He said the Convention marked a "central instrument" under international law to prevent another Holocaust.
For this reason, he said, "we stand firmly against a political instrumentalisation" of the Convention.
Hebestreit acknowledged diverging views in the international community on Israel's military operation in Gaza.
"However the German government decisively and expressly rejects the accusation of genocide brought against Israel before the International Court of Justice," he said. "The accusation has no basis in fact."

Seems like they got it right.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 year ago

They didn't actually present any argument that this isn't a genocide, nor did they even try to address anything the South African delegation have presented. This is state speech for "nuh uh", so the only reason you could see that "they got it right" was if you just liked their conclusion.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with their conclusion, yes. When both sides of the conflict that the genocide statutes were written to address say that this is not a genocide, I find that very compelling.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 48 points 1 year ago

Nazi Germany's extermination camps are not the only genocides in history, nor does either entity have a special say in what a genocide is. Calling modern Germany the "side" of the Nazis is incredibly offensive, nor is Israel the "side" of the Jewish people. There are plenty of Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust who very much do believe the term does apply.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Calling modern Germany the “side” of the Nazis is incredibly offensive

Well they consider themselves to be atoning for it to this day and accept responsibility, as per the quote above. If you've ever been to Germany they don't shy away from the connection or deny that the Nazis were German.

There are plenty of Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust who very much do believe the term does apply.

A minority opinion, to be sure.

[-] LadyAutumn 14 points 1 year ago

Citation would be nice on that last one.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't find any statistics of "Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust" but only 22% of American Jews agree with that statement as of 2021.

[-] itslilith 9 points 1 year ago

So 22% before Israel blocked supplies and bombed 80% of Gaza into fine rubble. I wonder how that number looks now

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

If you find a source, please share it

[-] jalda@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Wow, that number is quite amazing. 22% of American Jews in 2021 thought that the 2023-24 military campaign is a genocide. So at least 22% of American Jews are time travelers!

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

It's unfortunate then that nazi parties are popular again now in Germany.

There are still a lot of old people in Germany who refuse to say anything negative about Israel.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

They can never, ever take a position against Israel.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

We can, we should and we must at this point.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Germany takes plenty of positions against Israel. You're confusing us with the US.

[-] erranto@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Western countries records of respecting human rights are nothing but performative theater. They are part of the same imperialist empire. of which they all benefit from.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's exactly because they know a thing or two they're not willing to throw the term around willy-nilly

What's happening in Gaza right now isn't a genocide. It's awful, they are commiting warcrimes, but not a genocide.

Funnily enough, what's happening in the West Bank has better Chances of being classified as a Genocide. Yet all those "Experts" on the Internet never talk about that. They only see civilian houses blowing up, then they take the worst word they know, "genocide", and call it that.

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you think Palestinians in Gaza will ever be able to return home, in the near or far future, without being killed under the excuse of "it's an evacuation zone, so they must be Hamas"?

And do you think the "evacuation zone" will ever stop expanding before it encompasses the entirety of Gaza?

Because I'm pretty sure forcefully displacing a people from their home and not allowing them to return qualifies as genocide.

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[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think they are calling them weak. I figured it would be but when you put it in comparison we are almost there but not quite to the same level

[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

They learned nothing.

[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Spineless cucks should have abstained.

Fuck Hamas, but what is happening in Gaza is absolutely genocide. Trying to diplomatically meander around that is fucking pathetic.

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

... There's a Nazi joke in there somewhere.

[-] Toes@ani.social 10 points 1 year ago

But I'm not seeing it.

[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago
[-] Neon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Cool. Fuck you.

[-] dasgoat@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Once again, Germany looks away from a clear and blatant genocide. It's almost like they're known for that or something.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

stop using the word genocide willy-nilly. You're essentially the Boy who cries Wolf.

What happens in Gaza is awful and there are definitely WarCrimes. But a Genocide is on a whole other Level.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Nope. It's a genocide under the UN definition which is the agreed international definition.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Under the UN Definition you need to prove that there is an Intent.

Fo on, Prove it then.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just check the ruling party's public comments. They're more than willing to admit to it.

[-] dasgoat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Go read a single damn book about genocide and then say that again. Go read South Africa's 84 pages. And then Go fuck yourself.

[-] erranto@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Never stopped sucking Zionist balls since the end of WWII.

Thank skies I haven't considered Germany as a destination country.

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[-] JayObey711@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

A Stop the genocide in Gaza graffiti was sprayed onto my university a few days ago (Germany I should mention). Uni tried to cover it up but it's currently on display at the busiest part of the campus and I predict it will stay there for a while

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