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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[-] sydneybrokeit@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Start with canning Spez. Dude's been a walking liability for them for at least the 12 years I've been on reddit, and everyone knew it back then.

[-] uplink@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I have seen Reddit make a lot of changes over the years that have continually shifted it away from what I wanted it to be. I have been hoping for a long time that something would supplant reddit, probably for most of the time I've been using the platform. If it is really still not profitable after all of that, then I doubt that they can make meaningful positive changes that I want and be in the black. So to answer your question, no, there's probably nothing they can do to get me to stop seeking replacements.

[-] silicon_reverie@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll go back if Reddit:

  • Makes it feasible for 3rd party apps to continue on the platform. This could be a revenue-sharing agreement, a set price that's not prohibitively expensive but still fairly compensates Reddit, a flat-out exemption from the Enterprising Pricing, doesn't matter. These apps have been around far longer than Reddit's own app, and provide tools (and general polish) the Official App has yet to match seven years in. They deserve to stay and to make a living off of their continued contribution to the community.
  • Restores parity access to NSFW content via the API. It's essential for moderation bots to combat spam, it helps 3rd party apps stay afloat, and it serves a large part of the community. I get that Reddit wants to sanitize the site in preparation for an IPO. I get that advertisers are wary of NSFW posts. That's not an excuse for removing it from the API. The official ad-supported Reddit app will continue to serve up porn, and the currently proposed API prevents 3rd party clients from using ads anyway. Reddit is making a bad-faith argument that harms moderation bots' ability to do their job, and cripples any 3rd party app that isn't driven from the platform based on price (including 2 "accessibility only" apps they were forced to allow during the AMA).
  • Apologizes to the Apollo dev for Spez's libelous statements, and starts a good-faith negotiation with developers to open access for things like the enhanced query system that the 1st party app enjoys, usage statistics that will help devs improve API request efficiency, and revenue sharing where devs can monetize using ads or any other method they choose so long as Reddit gets a cut.

Yes, these demands go further than a simple rollback of the new API policy, but at the same time they don't. Reddit's originally stated goal for this change was to keep 3rd party apps around because they add tremendous value to the ecosystem, while stopping the LLM training bots from getting off rent-free when they try to train their AI models off of our hard work. I love that goal. It's something we can all get behind. I just wish they'd actually do it.

But at this point, even if I go back it will be with one foot out the door. The dam has broken, and I plan to campaign hard for alternatives and switch to whichever one hits critical mass first.

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[-] Triage8420@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Pay off all my debt. And take me out to a fancy dinner. Wine and dine me, Spez. Then I'll use reddit again. (I would still use lemmy secretly on the side)

[-] shakesbeare@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Reddit as an entity is just frustrating. Not just the recent debacle, but the pattern of getting slightly more awful with each passing minute. I'm hoping I enjoy my stay here well enough that I never feel the urge to go back. Unfortunately, it's less about what Reddit can do to get me back and more about what the Fediverse can do to keep me.

I liked seeing and engaging with unlimited new things with each passing moment. It would not be very satisfying for me to lose that. Time will tell.

[-] isosphere@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I think it is very healthy for huge social media platforms to disappear every now and then and be replaced by better things. After being on Reddit for 13 years I'm excited for something new; hopefully different in good ways. I think a federated approach is a huge improvement. I don't think there's anything they could do.

[-] notroot@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

Answer: Lift my lifetime permanent ban. Heheh

I jokingly commented "I hope it was full" in a thread about Ted Cruz (aka Zodiac Killer) getting beaned by a beer can during a parade (or sumpin).

That was the last straw for the mods! How dare I "Promote or advocate violence" LOL

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[-] ultraHQ@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if anything could at this point. The large amount of users has resulted in a lot lower quality of posts.

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[-] garpunkal@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I think that the CEO would need to step down at this point. This has been handled completely inappropriately and he's ultimately responsible. Then they would need to rollback the API changes and approach that change in a more structure community lead approach.

[-] BlackCoffee@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I won't be back honestly.

The fact that they are "willing" to go this route is the writing on the wall.

I also find it so interesting that people and reddit themselves see the platform as "Social Media" and development is has been going that way.

I see it as a link aggregator and forum and treat it as such. I just want to find information, comment about it and have it as dense and "clean" on my screen as possible. but The fact that it looks like another Facebook and instagram clone and it is gonna be the only way to experience it is a hell no from me.

[-] Subito@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

There is literally nothing.... I just used Reddit for r/nosleep. I'll live without it. It's permanently erased any goodwill it had with me.

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[-] honk@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

There is one thing they could do: Just federate with lemmy. :D:D:D

[-] CoachDom 8 points 1 year ago

I switched to Reddit when I made a decision I'm done with the big corpo like Meta and I deleted all my social media accounts including WhatsApp. I got Signal and convinced all my friends and family to do the same so now I have a fully functioning social circle there. I moved from Reddit to Lemmy now because I realised that Reddit is more or less the same - the answer to most of the internet issues atm is open source/decentralised services. So I moved here. Still missing a lot of stuff from Reddit though - mostly thriving meme communities...

[-] pain_is_life_is_pain@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Get rid off all the trolls, bots and shills. I know that's nearly an impossible task, but I'm tired of seeing the same thing posted five times a month, good content getting hidden and people arguing for the sake of arguing.

[-] Fellangel@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

I just deleted my Reddit account. I hope Lemmy and the federated system becomes a great replacement. I have found myself many times quite "over" Reddit. The community has grown polarized and has given way and voice to reflect some of the worst of humanity. I try to keep an open mind and compartmentalize the rest. For me that was the first strike. Beyond that, this move to monetize Reddit by taxing the community that made it what it is today just let's me know they have forgotten who they are and that without us they don't have a site. I'm sure some will continue to use Reddit. I won't be over of them and while I know I don't matter much against millions of users, but I know that many more than just me are sick of the same things and our voice matters. In short, nothing will bring me back. If someone is willing to do this to begin with, then they're willing to do it again.

[-] ericjmorey@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

If they made their mobile web interface usable, I'd use it on mobile. If they keep their old.reddit interface usable, I'll keep using it to some extent. I don't think either of these will happen.

I also think the vast majority won't care unless the moderation bots will be rendered unaffordable to maintain by volunteer mods.

[-] John_Coomsumer@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Step 1: A backpedal to their roots, openness and FOSS leaning development. Allow reasonably cheap API access that still gives them some money from the AI trawlers but allows 3rd parties to function, stop blasting me with gigantic notification on my mobile browser to use the terrible official app every time I view a thread (or even literally forcing you off the page period if its 'nsfw' content like elden ring threads, apparently??)

Step 2: Focus on genuine usability. The official app is DOG ASS. The "new" reddit experience is a nightmare compared to old reddit. Videos STILL don't load and run properly, after literally 5 or 6 years. Straight up embarrassing stuff for software developers.

Step 3: Take a genuine stance on moderation and content. Either direction; free-for-all where only the clearly illegal is removed, or tightly moderated with global rules. This current system is a completely broken mess, you'll get the_donald literally breeding terrorists in the open for years, but I can't use call another user an "asshole loser" without getting kicked out of a subreddit? I just dont think the weird federalist style subreddit system works all that well. Global, clear, enforced rules.


If they did these things I think I would return. The real crazy thing is that they could do all of these things and still increase profitability. If the official app was actually good, more people would use it, and the massive amount of calls home and data collection it does would be way more profitable. Jump on the bandwagon, make a reddit LLM chat-bot that is fed only on reddit threads, it would probably be genuinely decent. Or at least make reddit search work, you would siphon off a ton of google search traffic. you know. innovate, at all, even a little. The money would come in. But not AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE I WANT TO SCROOGE MCDUCK THIS SHIT levels, and thats what the ownership and (soon to be) shareholders will push them towards. So none of this will happen, sadly.

[-] Undefined0968@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Bring Aaron Swartz back from the dead and put him in control

/r/Tedwasright in that tech devolves into a tool of abuse. Only thing I can think of it to keep innovating to outrun the machine

[-] manifex@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Like relationships and jobs - once I'm out... I out.

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[-] shortwavesurfer@monero.house 7 points 1 year ago

I am running PowerDeleteSuite on both my reddit accounts as i type this. My basic edit is that due to reddits api changes i no longer feel welcome, have moved to lemmy, and support the blackout. I will give a few hours to settle and then delete both accounts

[-] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 7 points 1 year ago

Go back to being open source, become a non-profit.

Basically not gonna happen.

The profit motive will just recreate this same scenario no matter what they promise.

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[-] crossmr@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

They need to fix everything. I can barely report anything on the site without being banned for it. The admin come around later and fix it and apology, but because that's happened so many times, safety's first response is permanent ban which means I have to use an alt to contact them and get them to fix it. Despite the fact that they told me several times all the suspensions and warnings would be removed, they aren't. I reported something for being a duplicate a couple weeks ago (it was there was another copy on the front page of the sub, and it was one of their report reasons) and came back an hour later to both a permanent ban notice for 'report abuse' for that, and also the fact that my account wasn't actually banned because someone had come through and unbanned me. The site is bordering on being beyond repair at this point.

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