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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.social 88 points 10 months ago

how about the terms 'ethnic cleansing,' 'genocide' ?

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 50 points 10 months ago

I'm quite partial to 'crimes against humanity'

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 7 points 10 months ago

That is far more accurate than the former 2 terms.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

'slaughtering innocent civilians'

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 84 points 10 months ago

I'll go ahead and type what they mean.

NRPI - No Real Person Involved

It's the most disgusting but most honest corporate term I have ever seen. Palestinians aren't real to these people. They are clumped together into "casualties" and maybe, if they are lucky, "civilian casualties". How many "non-real person" deaths does it take to force people to acknowledge this genocide?

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 60 points 10 months ago

Watching an MSF volunteer doctor describe WCNSF while the interviewer sat mute and emotionless was telling.

There's an acronym that's unique to the Gaza Strip, it's WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family - and it's not used infrequently

She almost broke down mid sentence, the host was ready to move on to the next segment piece of the broadcast…

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

Multiple doctors have been vocal about this disgusting new acronym.

History is not going to look at Israel well. They done fucked up bad and it's gonna catch up to them.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I'm more worried about the support of the US and Germany for these Neue Nazis.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

Bombs dropped from thousands of feet and artillery shells lofted into Gaza from kilometers away result in death and destruction on a massive scale, but it is carried out remotely. The deadly results are unseen by those who caused them and the source unseen by those [who] suffer and die.

It’s a different kind of event and is described differently as ‘intensive,’ ‘unrelenting,’ and ‘punishing,’ raining death and destruction on one of the most densely populated places on earth…They are different stories, and we have tried to describe both accurately and vividly.  

It's not "murderous" if it's done from far away, apparently. Hitler didn't personally see the Jews he sent to the death camps so he wasn't "murderous" he was just "unrelenting" and "intensive." Aww he was just a hard worker then, bless his cotton socks.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Why do people keep calling revenge "defense"?

Israel had a chance to defend itself. It failed horribly. Now it gets to massacre civilians?

What the fuck?

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's like when the Nazis were attacked by the French Resistance in Occupied France and then went to some village and killed 10 random villagers for each dead German as reprisal.

The main difference here is that the total ratio is already pass the 20-to-1 mark and 10-to-1 is the ratio of Palestinian children murdered by the Israel military for each Israeli murdered by Hamas.

[-] erranto@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I call it racism

There have been more civilians killed in the latest atrocities by the Israelis in Gaza in only three months than the number of all Ukrainian civilians dead in almost 2 years. but they haven't spared one bad word of the dictionary in describing Putin's war in Ukraine while banning their journalists from describing Israel's atrocities as brutal.

If this isn't racism and viewing one race more worthy of humanity and empathy than another, than I don't know what it could be, cause maybe we need a better word to describe both "racism + hypocrisy "

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not merelly racism, but the cold, extreme, violent kind of racism practiced by the Nazis.

Even the KKK in a country of 350 million people did not manage to murder so many of those they deemed "lesser" in decades as the Israelis are doing to those they call "human animals" in a few months.

I did not at all thought like this when all this started, but by now all I see is the disgusting parallel with how the Nazis thought and, worse, how they acted, and can only conclude that those at this point excusing, whitewashing or even supporting the actions of the State Of Israel are Nazi-lovers.

At this point this shit has transcended the racism of Appartheid and the "mild" style of Fascism in places like Italy, and has reached the kind of ultra-racist violent Fascism of the Nazis.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 40 points 10 months ago

That's 1.1% of Gaza's population killed in just 3 month!

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.

Let that sink in.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago

I think worse is all the killings happening that barely get reported at all.

Sudan? Hundreds of thousands of deaths. Bunch of black people killing other black people. No clicks or views in that. Ongoing, incidentally.

Jews and Muslims killing each other? Everyone seems to love picking a side there.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I agree. The Western world could actually help innocent people in these regions, but have convinced themselves that "browns need to solve their own problems."

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

We're gonna find more than that died due to the nightmarish health and sanitation conditions caused by. IDF bombing hospitals, if what I've heard about the outbreak of dysentery and hepatitis is right.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Big shoutout to to the IDF for killing the entire family of this 12 year old girl, and blowing her leg off in an airstrike.

And then when she was in the hospital the IDF shot at the hospital and blew her head off with a tank shell.

The one that Genocide Joe just bypassed congress for to send more to israel.

Not brutal though.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Oh, really?

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Is this 22,600 number accurate? It's more precise than I would expect. I've also seen estimates of 8000 hamas militants killed, which is presumably included here as the Gaza authorities have never previously made a distinction. That suggests about 2 civilian deaths per soldier killed which is honestly a lot less than I would expect given all the "genocide" rhetoric.

I think Afghanistan ended up being about 1 civilian per 2 soldiers? That's 4x lower, but was largely fought in low population density deserts. Is there even a modern equivalent to draw a comparison with to gauge what a "normal" civilian casualty rate is for urban warfare?

[-] Bojimbo@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago

The math would mean they have labeled every post-pubescent boy as Hamas.

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Did that even happen?
And if it did, was it that bad?
And if it was, was it that big of a deal?
And if it was, does it matter?
And if it does, did they mean it?
And if they did, didn't the victims deserve it?"

The narcissist's prayer is no less cowardly when you phrase it in question form.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

If I said something factually wrong please correct me. Otherwise let's leave the ad hominem attacks unsaid.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago

Well, first of all is the idea that this level of destruction is in any way normal in war.

Take a look at this chart here. Those date ranges in the chart have some of the bloodiest conflict in each war, and yet on any given day only a handful of children would die.

Israel is killing an average of almost 150 children per day.

That's why we're calling it a genocide.

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

An ad hominem would be "you are wrong because you are a coward". My statement was in effect "you are wrong and you are a coward".

You could call it an insult, although I would say it was a generous term for someone who offers up mealy mouthed equivocations over the wholesale slaughter of civilians from the air by a nuclear power.

You didn't say much that was wrong; you didn't say much at all. You were just asking questions.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But thats not an ad hominem attack, it's a direct critique of the form your statement takes.

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[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Genocide bots don't care about reality

[-] BunEnjoyer@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Not only Urban warfare but a terrorist regime that is actively using its own civilians as human shields.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

CBC are toadying sycophants, this surprises nobody. I don't even know why people pay attention to them, they're irrelevant.

[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Semantics. It's genocide then. Or some other more technical term. There's a word for it, who cares? Everyone knows what we mean. And that's the point of words. To covey a meaning from one mind to another.

If you want to play the semantics game and abolish in-context definitions of words, then abolish all slang and idioms too.

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