It was nonsense from the start. Grusch had no evidence, not so much as a blurry photo or shaky video. All he had was what someone told him. So someone supposedly told him that not only did the U.S. have multiple crashed UFOs and bodies, but that one of them crashed in Mussolini's Italy and the Pope helped the U.S. smuggle it out.
And people ate that shit up. And they're still saying the big revelation is right around the corner, as it has been my entire life.
As expected. Many thanks for the update...
If it was nonsense, why did the Inspector General find his allegations "credible and urgent", and forwarded them to Congress, where Grusch and other whistleblowers deposed under oath? And why have several Congressional committees announced that public hearings will be held in the upcoming months?
Let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because evidence has not been made available to us it means there is none. We don't get to learn the most highly classified weaponry in the Pentagon, why would non-human technology be released any more widely? If you want more information to be made public, go write a letter to your elected officials telling them this matters to you.
"Credible and urgent" referred to his fear of reprisals after claiming whistle blower status. The Inspector General rightly considers this completely isolated from the legitimacy of the leaked information itself.
My understanding is that it referred to his allegations that some programs are being funded without the necessary Congressional oversight.
Either way, the matter of fact is that Congress is addressing these concerns regarding oversight, not the reprisals suffered by this particular person. See the recently proposed regulation by Gallagher.
It was a "trust me bro" claim that the media blindly ate up.
media
You mean dumbasses that read garbage tabloids.
Vanity Fair discusses why respected members of the media didn't publish this so-called bombshell of a story: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/ufo-report-media
It lacked any real facts and proof and the major outlets needed to confirm parts with their sources.
This feels like nothing. I would not be surprised the military keeps dangling these ufo stories to hide the fact they caught a Russian or Chinese advanced aircraft.
The U stands for UNIDENTIFIED. Unidentified means just that. It's not wink wink for alien spacecraft.
Why waste our time with boring facts when we already have our opinions?
;-)
credible
it was never credible lol
It is very much moving forward. Senator Marco Rubio has stated that he takes David Grusch's testimony seriously. Rubio is a member of the Gang of Eight, the group of people in Congress who receive the most sensitive US intelligence.
Rubio has stated that Grusch is not the only whistleblower who has come forward and testified to Congress. According to him, over the last two years there have been multiple other highly-ranked officials sharing with Congress their first-hand knowledge of secret programs to reverse-engineer non-human technology, corroborating Grusch's claims.
Senator Gillibrand and Rep. Burchett have publicly announced that in the coming months they intend to hold public hearings to hear the evidence put forth by Grusch and other UFO whistleblowers in various committees in Congress.
If you find the subject intriguing and would like to learn more, I can recommend the podcast Need to Know by Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel. Other good sources of information that have also been proven reliable in the past few years are The Debrief and Liberation Times.
Ribbit
It was obviously bs from the first second, but how do alt right fantasies play into this? I thought the whole UFO thing was more like old-school conspiracy theories.
Ribbit
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Trust me, no one of any substance put much belief into any of his claims. It was entertained, and found to be a huge bluff.
"credible"
kinda strange seeing "credible" and "UFO" on the same sentence
Obviously, THEY don’t want you to know about it, so they suppressed it after some courageous soul (who’s since been “disappeared”) broke the original story. /s
Nevermind that if UFO crashes were as common as what they’re made out to be, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE would be able to provide some sort of credible evidence. Even a foreign government somewhere would have declared a discovery at some point and produced a ship or alien bodies, just for the prestige of being the first to declare it.
I don’t doubt that there’s alien life out there some where, it’s just whether or not if they’ve made the travel across many light years, only to crash land as soon as they get here.
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