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[-] moitoi@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

If the politics don't change and stop pushing a neoliberal agenda, it won't stop. Inequalities are rising in Europe, what makes the far right “against the system” semantic looking nice. It's up to the traditional parties to change and stop the last 40 years of politics to stop this rise.

[-] HaiZhung@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

It’s a global issue though. Capitalism is demanding cheap labor fodder, and sooner or later societies will crack. See how in the whole western world, which has a comparatively high living standard, fascism Is on the rise?

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[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

That might be workable in the long run, but let's face it. AfD took advantage of racism and likely the ignorance in former Soviet region.

It's not like policy can change the mind of mad, emotional and uneducated creatures.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Instead, conservative parties everywhere are trying to tap into the fascism for extra votes.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

The thing is, the AFD, apart from being Nazis, are also neoliberal. Only an idiot (who also likes Nazis) will vote for them over disliking neoliberalism.

[-] notapantsday@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

People don't dislike neoliberalism, they dislike the effects it has on society. But they fail to connect the dots.

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] iByteABit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Social media misinformation is far from being the largest cause. There are so many people living in villages and islands that aren't educated, and fully believe the far right's fairy tales about how they're going to fix the system and restore things to how they used to be.

I agree about social media though, I think that the EU needs to give Meta, Google and Twitter an ultimatum: Fix your algorithms in order not to create echo chambers of misinformation otherwise you're gone from every EU country.

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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Alternative for Germany are performing alarmingly well in Eastern Germany. They're already the second-largest party in several Landtags including Saxony-Anhalt, Saxony and Thuringia. They're also overtaking the incumbent party in opinion polls and are pretty much poised to be the ruling party across multiple German states.

Thankfully, I don't see AfD leading the country, but Merkel opening the floodgates to mass migration has spooked a lot of people into right-wing voting.

We should be more worried about France swinging to the far-right. Le Pen has a very good chance of winning the next election in 2027, especially with how badly Macron and Renaissance have tanked their reputations.

[-] eliasp@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago

...but Merkel opening the floodgates to mass migration

Please don't replicate right-wing talking points. She didn't open any gates - she just decided (contrary to all countries around us) to not suddenly shut our open borders when millions fled war and were seeking for refuge.

She basically did, what she always excelled at: sitting it out and doing nothing, then selling it as her political success. Active change was her constant enemy.

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[-] dimlo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I don’t think there is concern. In the age of uncertainty, massive inequality, cultural clash between immigrants and locals, people either turn far left or far right. But the far left are always clinging on the legacy of Marx and forgot how to adapt their ideology to modern world that only far right are evolving. Or they are trying idolise Mao/ Lenin which is not very saint as well.

The only thing to stop them popping out is built a better society that is with positive growth, good wealth distribution, high employment rate, good equality, which is not going to happen in the current political climate. Blaming people who vote for them is really not a good take as if people are willingly destroy their own country. Storm is brewing and once again the rich will take their money and leave to hide in nice tropical islands while ordinary people are punching each other in the face for a slice of bread.

[-] notapantsday@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I think one of the main problems is that there's no "home" for people leaning left. The SPD has long dropped the "S" from it's name, it's just another conservative party representing those who are already well-off, without any ideas or plans to improve life for those who are exploited in our current system. Die Linke is completely detached from reality and too busy with fighting between themselves to address the giant issues that they should have the answers for. Greens are a climate/environment party first and they're too elitist to pick up any of the angry people who (rightfully) feel like they've been cheated by the system.

So when you have a well organized, populist party on the far-right that provides (wrong) answers for those people, it's no wonder they flock to them. Of course, you'll always have those who are actual fascists and will always vote for a fascist party, but a strong left could easily draw a lot of the other voters away from the AfD.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the far left are always clinging on the legacy of Marx and forgot how to adapt their ideology to modern world that only far right are evolving. Or they are trying idolise Mao/ Lenin which is not very saint as well.

Not that much in my experience, they rather cling to, I think, unrealistically high expectations on the human nature or culture, especially about the ability of people to work, share wealth and respect things purely based on philosophy without needing constrains such as requiring a job to live, police and hierarchy.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a former "text book" leftist I am inclined to agree that good will alone is not enough for humanity in its current state to operate a society on, and that many current day leftists are wearing the same rose tinted goggles for the USSR and China that the right wears for the 50s.

We need both incentives as well as strict limits to remain within healthy behavior at large, otherwise we end up with apathetic full time unemployed people on the lower end as well as cancerous outgrowths like individuals possessing billions, living like feudal lords of medieval times.

Incentives tied to employment in the current form are not practical any more though. With continuing industrialization, automation, and the emergence of artificial intelligence on the horizon the economies of the world simply don’t need those people as workers any more. This leads to the UBI as the next logical conclusion to provide the consumer base our economies depend on with disposable income to participate as well as a means of securing their essential needs. This then means the incentive must be different, personal ideas are to tie the UBI to the individual being at least x hours per month engaged in some kind of productive and/or creative outlet, be it education, community work, pursuing interests, or some other form of value provided to society based on the individual‘s interests and abilities.

Basically the Star Trek federation philosophy of personal improvement (enhanced with some basic incentive to participate), mixed with the communist idea of assigning professions based on ability, except with the individual freedom to choose instead. Do something worthwhile, and if it’s just pursuing a hobby, and thats good enough.

[-] Nezgul@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

I'd add that, more than anything else, leftist fixation on older theory is more than just idolizing people who are not very "saintly."

I think, at its core, older leftist theory is still very geared toward an industrial society. It found purchase primarily among trade unions representing industrial workers, and in some ways, I don't think we have adequately "adapted" to a post-industrial world.

Don't get me wrong, the core tenets of labor participation, labor mobilization, and mass action will probably be relevant tools up and until mass automation occurs across the board. But we don't have the same working class base we did a century ago. I'd be interested in seeing a greater emphasis on incorporating, in addition to traditionally working class people in trades and "unskilled services," white collar workers that are nominally distinct from the former groups but are still nevertheless abused and exploited like everyone else.

Obviously, someone who makes $50k/year doing back breaking labor is objectively worse off and more exploited than someone making $100k/year in a computer science or similar field, but the computer science person is probably getting shit on too.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Hopefully it doesn't turn out as bad as France

[-] md5crypto@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is the fault of the existing left-wing parties that allowed unlimited migration to Germany in 2015.

[-] boogetyboo@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago

You believe the rise in support of parties with racist ideologies is because of ... Other parties not being racist enough?

Cool take on the issue, bud.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The concerns should have been raised long before it even reached this point, but I guess even in Germany the willingness to preserve the memory of the atrocities they committed as a nation is beginning to wane.
And it didn't even take 100 years, though when you look at who they're playing against (the even bigger imperialists and colonisers who have never even pretended to be sorry), it's almost impressive.
But only almost.

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[-] Narann@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Globalization's beating will continue until moral improves.

[-] PushSurname@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

There is no concern: 1 - I bet it's only in east germany 2 - It's mostly just 60 y/os who vote them

[-] bighi@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

There is no concern

The guy was elected!

And that's how they win. They make everyone else think there's no concern.

"It's only group X". And then later "it's only groups X and Y", there's still no concern. And then "it's only groups X, Y and Z, we can still outvote them..."

As concerning as this is, luckily it is „only“ a major of a small area of the former sovjet zone. The party or the mayor won’t gain influence in the federation.

The people over there are strangely attracted to the propaganda. I really hope this isn’t the new trend for whole Germany, I still have hope we are not that dumb (again).

[-] rammer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately it seems to be a trend for the whole western world. There has been a steady shift to the right in politics in Europe and America for a couple of decades now. And I think it'll get a whole hell of a lot worse before it gets better. There are no quick fixes. There are no easy solutions. The left needs to get its act together and present a viable alternative.

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