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[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 26 points 9 months ago

They're not wrong. Azov have been far-right extremists since the beginning. But imagine if a foreign country invaded the US and gained a sizable stronghole. We'd be arming right-wing militias to repel the invaders too.

They're a help now, but Azov will be a problem in the future.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

They could just be fed to the cannon...

[-] TrendigOsthyvel@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

This play ruzzian propaganda so well. Just keep adding stories about nazis i ukraine and at the end, noone will be certain about whats true or not. Still, ofc there are nazis in ukraine, but that is true about all countries.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

Sadly I'm still pretty sure the most damage here has been done by Ukraine itself:

Yes, of course there are some nazis in Ukraine. Sadly every country seem to have some fringe right-wing morons. And using them to fight Russia, especially in a time when the offcial army wasn't up to the task yet, was understandable.

But that's not the main problem. The main problem is doubt that Ukraine will be able to handle them at some point when it's necessary. And when -to paraphrase Ukraine's then ambassador to Germany for example in 2015- the answer to the question if they realize that this can become a problem down the road is: "No, you are lying to help Russian propaganda! There are and never in history were any right-wing groups in Ukraine!" that's a pretty big indicator that they won't manage that problem ever. Because acknowledging it exists would have been the required first step instead of spewing insane rants.

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl 6 points 9 months ago

They were a movement that was an active militia (trained and armed) that took part in the elections and did not even get enough votes for a single seat in Parlaiment.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 11 points 9 months ago

Bullshit propaganda supported by disingenuous supporters of this instance.

[-] filoria@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

The Maple.... Propaganda?

Fuck off back to America

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 9 months ago

Yes.

Look there are racists everywhere, that is a fact. Calling Azov a far right group is a Russian smear attempt.

For Azov the big proof is Andrey Biletsky, look him up. In 2011 he was a far-right pro Russian Ukrainian. That's sorta what far-right means in Ukraine, pro Russian. It also means white supremacist specifically anti-LGBT and antisemitism.

This article doesn't bother to speak on what far-right means in Ukraine or how that stance has been challenged in Ukraine. This article really doesn't say much about anything useful to understand this far-right identity in Ukraine it just uses the term to make liberals pearl clutch.

Ukraine is being invaded if racists wanna pick up a gun and defend it go ahead but the identity of far-right in Ukraine tends to be pretty pro Russian. Meaning a lot of that identity right now is likely in shambles and being challenged.

It is just a disingenuous article. Nothing else to say about it. The entire thing is just "ooh spooky far right Ukraine!"

Like come on you eat this up?

[-] filoria@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Again, go fuck off back to America where your insane opinions might be valued.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 9 months ago

Fuck you dumbass continue to eat up propaganda moron

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

I'm not really sure what they're trying to raise as a specific issue here.

Azov are a part of the Ukrainian military. That's Ukraine's decision. If we give arms to Ukraine there's a good chance some of those arms will end up in the hands of Azov members.

There's not really any way to avoid that. We need to put diplomatic pressure on Ukraine to deal with the problem of far right extremists in their country (and, y'know, it would probably help if we were leading the way by doing more to deal with far right extremists in our own country), but abandoning them to the Russians just because they're not perfect paragons of progressive idealism isn't helping anything.

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago
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