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[-] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago

Oh wtf this was one of the drugs people used to poison themselves with? I was prescribed this a month ago because the rheumatologist told me is the safest drug for auto immune issues although I still need to take mehtylprednisolone every few months due to spinal inflammation that messes with nerves.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 113 points 10 months ago

Don't worry, a key part of toxicity is the dosage. If you're following a prescription from an actual doctor instead of taking handfuls of horse medication at the behest of extremist politicians you're fine.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago

It's great if it's used to treat what it was meant to, people started taking it because a few doctors mentioned it might help with COVID without having any proof it did.

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[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

The hazards here were related to passing around doses, improper prescriptions from disreputable doctors, and not seeking out actual treatments for covid. If you have certain conditions and medications there can be side effects and interactions that harm health, but that your doctor should have considered. Some people who really needed hydroxychloroquine for legitimate uses like yours had trouble getting it because of shortages due to morons rushing out to get it.

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 10 points 10 months ago

Take the recommended dose and you'll be fine, just don't go over because it's easy to OD with.

You might also go blind, but that's a future you problem

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[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 53 points 10 months ago

Remember these chuckleheads believe the vaccine is poison and you gotta be careful and they put this stuff into themselves. Apparently research is listening to Joe's podcast.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Anybody that takes medical advice from Joe Rogan deserves whatever malady or health problem they get. Literal leopardsatemyface…

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 10 months ago

"I don't want none of that vaccine. You don't know what's in it!" - A guy at work on his cigarette break.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I saw a vegan smoking once who said something similar, it was hilarious.

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[-] rimu@piefed.social 50 points 10 months ago

"What do you have to lose?"

Umm. Their lives, apparently? Such an irresponsible statement.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago
[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 44 points 10 months ago
[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago

Generally yes, but there's cases where parents gave this shit to their kids too.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

I think you're confusing this and Ivermectin. Hydroxychloroquine (as far as I know) is prescription only. Ivermectin is too technically but you can get the "livestock" version at a TSC or similar store. Which says a lot about the "not sheep" crowd taking medicine literally used for livestock.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 35 points 10 months ago

people got Hydroxychloroquine by unauthorized means too

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 10 months ago

And some people with authorized means couldn't get it because of the idiots

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[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

Technically, that still serves to remove their genes from the pool.

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[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago

Maybe you should think twice before posting this kind of uncompassionate drivel.

Some of these people died because they trusted the prescription from their doctor. Not everybody is able to read and understand scientific literature, and they might have to rely on the authority of someone they trust. Some doctors believed, against all evidence, that this was the right thing to prescribe and some patients took their word for it.

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Which doctors were prescribing this shit?

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 28 points 10 months ago

That figure stems from a study published in the Nature scientific journal in 2021 which reported an 11 percent increase in the mortality rate, linked to its prescription against COVID-19, because of the potential adverse effects like heart rhythm disorders, and its use instead of other effective treatments.

So I think what they are reporting is an estimate of people who died of COVID whilst taking this stuff and so did not undertake other forms of treatment.

I don't think they are saying that most of these people died as a direct result of taking the drug. (e.g. overdosing)., despite what the headline suggests.

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you read the original study, those causes are included.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But I'm not allowed to add caffeine powder to my yogurt anymore because one idiot died 🙄

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago
[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 26 points 10 months ago

FDA banned pure/high concentration caffeine powder because people died from improper measurement. I think you can still find lower concentration caffeine powders.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

How much do you need?!? I got some shit called Apex Drive Tiger’s Blood on Amazon, and I can’t even handle a whole scoop in my beverage.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Is it enough to kill two and a half men?

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Broken teeth from eating a yougurt with 90% raw coffee beans.

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

You have to grind the yogurt before adding it to the beans, dumbass. Smdh

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The amount of people not reading the article or the study is astounding.

This is not about Trump.
This is not about your conservative uncle.
This is not about America only.

This is about off label prescribing in ICU and ERs early in the pandemic with low evidence (theoretical pathways) in six countries which either gave explicit approval or unclear guidance that was interpreted as approval. It goes on to suggest that in a similar emergency future, the state agencies sould do better.

In the absence of restriction, the number of expected HCQ-related deaths is likely to be directly related to the promotion of its prescription by scientists, physicians and health agencies. In February and March 2020, the use of this treatment was widely promoted based on preliminary reports suggesting a potential efficacy against COVID-19 [80]. For instance, the use of HCQ markedly increased from mid-March to mid-April 2020 [81], [82] in France before a temporary recommendation supporting its use by the State Council was rapidly rejected [83]. Similarly, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) granted a temporary emergency use authorisation for HCQ on March 28th 2020, which was finally revoked on June 15th 2020 [84]. In India, HCQ was also prescribed as a curative treatment to patients with COVID-19 and as a prophylactic treatment for front-line workers based on public authority guidance [85]. Conversely, the British government promoted HCQ use only within clinical trials, explaining the absence of cohort studies reporting the use of HCQ in the United Kingdom in the present study [86]. Consistently, a cohort of a multinational network showed a wide variation in the use of HCQ between countries, with 85% in Spain, 14% in the USA and less than 2% in China [80]. The rush to administer this treatment caused supply shortages in community pharmacies, forcing the implementation of dispensing restrictions [82]. Finally, the results of observational studies and randomized trials in May and June 2020, respectively, convincingly demonstrated that HCQ was ineffective and led to an increase in adverse events [4], [5], [12], [66], [73].

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[-] Gazumi@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths. Sadly, it is unlikely that the families that took his advice would take out a class action. As to his comment about what have you got to lose? The court or any reasonable party simply has to read the patient information leaflet.

[-] BradPittIsGod@lemmus.org 10 points 10 months ago

Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths.

To be fair, it's not entirely his fault that those individuals made poor choices. Yet, his actions were pretty awful, especially considering that those who passed away probably supported him by voting

[-] Dra@lemmy.zip 10 points 10 months ago

It's always an interesting discussion when we raise the question of:

If people who are born with disabilities and intellectual impairments get special treatment, what is the threshold for being so stupid that you can't be considered responsible for your actions (or be expected not to be manipulated or misled)?

There is a strong argument that people who aren't that smart can't really be held accountable for their actions, as its beyond their control.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 11 points 10 months ago

This was actually an argument used in the criminal defense of some of the capitol rioters lol

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

That's more then all Vaccines COMBINED! Don't let our Kids get Vaxxed! Hydrochloroquine them instead!

[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago

Reminds me of the parents who left their baby with the grandparents and the grandparents gave the baby ivermectin to 'protect' them from COVID.

Hospital couldn't save the poor kid.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Stupid is as stupid does.

[-] le_pouffre_bleu@slrpnk.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Former US President Donald Trump said: ‘What do you have to lose? Take it.’

As a proud and patriotic French, I can't let the murican brag about their (former) President without bragging about our former and current President whom happen to be a very good epidemiologist :

https://www.science.org/content/article/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment

Today his profile rose even higher, as French President Emmanuel Macron traveled to Marseille to meet Raoult, a hospital director and researcher who led the two trials. Macron did not comment after the meeting, but the rendezvous, initiated by Macron, was a clear sign of Raoult's newfound political clout. Jean-Paul Hamon, president of the Federation of Doctors of France, one of many scientists and doctors critical of the meeting, called it "showbiz politics."

A survey released by French polling institute IFOP on 6 April revealed that 59% of the French population believes chloroquine is effective against the new coronavirus. Confidence in the drugs is higher on the far right and far left, and reached 80% among sympathizers of the "yellow vest" movement that staged massive protests against Macron's economic policy in 2018 and 2019. Support is also very high, at 74%, in the Marseille region.

Karine Lacombe, head of infectious diseases at the Saint Antoine Hospital in Paris, has said on French TV that she and her team have received repeated "physical threats" for refusing to prescribe chloroquine; she said she has also seen many falsified prescriptions for the drug. Other doctors have reported similar experiences. The pressure comes on top of the stress caused by shortages of protective equipment, diagnostic tests, and medical staff.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Nearly 17,000 people may have died after taking hydroxycholoroquine during the first wave of COVID, according to a study by French researchers.

The anti-malaria drug was prescribed to some patients hospitalized with COVID-19 during the first wave of the pandemic, "despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits," the researchers point out in their paper, published in the February issue of Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy.

Now, researchers have estimated that some 16,990 people in six countries — France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey and the U.S. — may have died as a result.

Researchers from universities in Lyon, France, and Québec, Canada, used that figure to analyze hospitalization data for COVID in each of the six countries, exposure to hydroxychloroquine and the increase in the relative risk of death linked to the drug.

In fact, they say the figure may be far higher given the study only concerns six countries from March to July 2020, when the drug was prescribed much more widely.

Hydroxychloroquine gained prominence partly due to French virologist Didier Raoult who had headed the Méditerranée Infection Foundation hospital, but was later removed amid growing controversy.


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