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[-] Clasm@lemmy.world 150 points 11 months ago

How they used to get rid of motor oil back in the day.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 88 points 11 months ago

The oil is now outside of the environment

[-] beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 46 points 11 months ago

It's not IN an environment, it's been towed OUTSIDE the ENVIRONMENT

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[-] GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 115 points 11 months ago

"Feed a cold, starve a fever." Rest, hydrate, and eat if you can.

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Aristotle was obviously a great teacher and philosopher but he ended up being wrong about a lot. Like he thought the “elements” were earth, wind, fire, and water and that all objects want to be in their “natural” place. So, if you drop a rock, it tries to return to the earth. Fire goes up because it’s trying to get to where it “wants” to live.

He thought eels didn’t procreate because no one had ever seen it happening. (They go out to sea to fuck.) He was into bees and correctly noticed that there were workers and drones and that young bees grow out of the honeycomb. But he just assumed the Queen was a King and that worker bees were out collecting tiny baby bees from flowers. (He thought the air just blew pollen around and the honey naturally appeared.)

He had a lot of ideas that were just ideas but he was so influential and his writings were preserved and translated. It took a shocking number of years for people to question if Aristotle was full of shit.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The worst part of it was that for a ton of stuff he had contemporaries that were right about much much more, but were dismissed in favor of his confidently incorrect BS.

For example the Epicureans, who thought matter was made of tiny indivisible parts, that light too was made of indivisible parts moving really fast, that each parent contributed to a "doubled seed" which determined the traits of the child and could bring back features of skipped generations, that the animals which we see today were just the ones that were best able to survive to reproduce, and that all of existence arose only from the random interactions of these indivisible parts of matter and not from any intelligent design.

And because Aristotle's stupid ideas influenced the lineage of modern thought, most people learn about him but very few learn about the other group that effectively preempted modern thought millennia earlier.

But he just assumed the Queen was a King

Actually, he acknowledged "some say" the Queen was female, but then argued it couldn't be because the gods don't give women weapons and it had a stinger. And the identification of the leader of the hive as male was actually used for centuries to justify patriarchal monarchy as being "by God's design" because after all, look at the bee hive (somehow when we realized it was actually a female that logic went up in smoke).

So there were other people that did know what was correct, but Aristotle screwed up the development of thinking around it by rationalizing an opposite answer with an appeal to misogyny.

Wild that he was only two degrees of separation from a teacher famed for praising the knowledge of self-ignorance and not falling into false positives and negatives.

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[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 39 points 11 months ago

"Element" is a fairly general word, we just generally use it colloquially to refer specifically to the chemical elements. If you interpret his usage in the same way we use "states of matter", it's not horrendously far off. Earth, water, air, and fire roughly correspond to solid, liquid, gas, and (extremely rudimentary, very low ionization) plasma (or perhaps a more general energetic concept). In any case, an object "wanting" to get to its "natural" place also isn't terribly far off from a statement of consistent physical laws. Solids do "want" to accumulate with other solids by gravity, energetic gases do "want" to rise above less energetic ones through buoyancy.

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[-] ReaderTunesOctopus@lemmy.world 100 points 11 months ago

Check out the history of bird migration science. There was everything from birds going to the moon for winter, swallows burrowing in the mud, transmorphing to different species, up to the 19th century

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[-] uriel238 80 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lightning never strikes the same place twice. In fact it favors repeated strikes at the same arcing point.

In the middle ages churches would ring the steeple bells during a thunderstorm in an effort to soothe God. (it was assumed the Christian God was directly responsible for lightning.) This resulted in such an epidemic of lightning deaths among parish priests that ringing church bells in thunderstorms remains a criminal act in some regions of Europe.

Modern cathedrals and statues are fitted with replaceable lightning rods, in an admission God is content to let the mechanics of static electricity guide His thunderbolts.

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[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 80 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Classic case of survivorship bias

People back in the day had just as much terrible advice as we have today, it's just that the only one that survived long enough to survive to the present day is the really good advice

But to answer the question, anything related to the ingestion of mercury

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago

Or anything radioactive. Turns out it was a bad idea to make radium-lined water coolers

[-] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

But whatt about radium dusted clothing, they have such a healthy glow too them./s

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Was listening to an American history podcast (the dollop) about the radium girls. They wore uranium infused lipstick because it glowed and they thought it was cute. They licked their fingers regularly to help apply uranium dust to things.

While their male supervisors were wearing full lead suits totally for no reason and let those girls do that.

Many of them lost their jaws. There was a suit filed that they won, but every single one of those girls died before they could collect the money.

The suit led to a law establishing workers' safety rights, so it wasn't all bad. But that law was definitely written in those girls' blood.

[-] stoneparchment@possumpat.io 38 points 11 months ago

Wikipedia link to radium girls

I think you got the right idea but that description is missing the big points.

They were painting watches and their employers told them to use their lips to make fine points on the brushes, meaning they ingested a ton of the paint. The employers told them it was harmless despite evidence to the contrary. They chose not to use other options because wiping the brush on their lips increased productivity and they were paid per watch.

I don't think you meant to imply that they were doing it for trivial reasons, but I do think mentioning that they were doing it for a job and that their employers were intentionally deceiving them is important context!

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[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago

Anything related to health care in general, really. Keep in mind that germ theory was only invented in the late 16th century, and it was ridiculed for centuries in favour of Miasma theory. It wasn't until the mid 19th century that it started gaining legitimacy.

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[-] nefurious_krankstar@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago
[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 28 points 11 months ago

Yep, better to test if they can swim.

[-] Cannibal_MoshpitV3@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Or if they weigh as much as a duck

[-] MajesticSloth@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

She turned me into a newt!

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[-] Restaldt@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

Its perfectly safe to burn any and all trash

Especially batteries

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

It was safe to burn batteries when they were made of zinc.

Modern battery chemistry is the problem there

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[-] xylogx@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago
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[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 11 months ago
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[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

HEAD ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD!

[-] ace_garp@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

The Ether/Aether

That there is an invisible structure all around us that allows gravity, light and electricity to move through it. Now debunked or replaced.

Trepanning to release evil spirits.

Drill a hole in your head as a cureall for any mental behaviour abnormalities. Still practised as an emergency surgery, only to release life-threatening blood and pressure buildup inside the cranial cavity.

Blowing smoke up your ass

Gut pain? Almost drowned? Time to blow some tobacco smoke up your bum. Discontinued.

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[-] Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago
[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 months ago

Medicine and not taking anything as the will of god you should just accept, this and perception of death. That direct war, colonies are necessary - because now soft power, investments, influence, proxies are seen as more effective and better for business. That raw physical fitness means an easy superiority - and not a gun. Slavery and serfdom took other forms, so are associated stereotypes. Talking while seemingly alone is, arguably, not a solid sign of a mental illness now. First paleness became no longer a wanted trait, then we learnt that sun tan can be bad too. Putting fire to a field or a property isn't a good idea like it was before. Natural resources are free, limitless and harvested with no consequencies. Finding a stash of gold isn't that tempting too. Mass production, services kind off changed the amount of skills one needs in an average household and added complexity to it. Knowledge of how to get a clean water noticeably changed our ways. And perception of sex and family in different cultures drastically changed over time due to religion, law and science.

[-] kingaloo@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Drowning women to determine if they are witches.

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[-] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

That there is a god (or gods)

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Whatever you do, don't ask for bloodletting if you get sick

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Look into the death of George Washington. His doctor responded to what could have been a mild cold by taking a liter of blood 4 separate times from him. Washington very well could have recovered if he was just left alone.

Oh, and the doctor somewhat realized his mistake and tried to put some of the blood back after(!) Washington expired, with the logic that if blood loss killed him giving it back should revive him.

So yeah. Pumping blood back into a dead man. That was done on the founding president of the United States.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

Unless you have excess swelling in specific parts of the body, like a cranial bleed, which does require letting out some blood to relieve pressure that can kill you. And leeches are used medically for relieving some types of swelling as well. Then there is maggots that can be used for infections to eat dead skin. All of those practices came from some specific medical treatments that did work for some specific types of injuries, although a few of them were overused for things that had nothing to do with why they existed in the first place which was counterproductive.

So while not asking for it is good advice, don't turn it down if an actual licensed medical doctor recommends them as a treatment that has been supported by evidence.

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[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Anyone reading this thread and genuinely interested in it should go listen to the dollop podcast. It's American history, mostly between the 1500's and now. But the different episodes they do are stuffed full of this kind of faulty logic from the past.

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Blood letting. Have a fever, must be to much blood inside you.

[-] uriel238 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What goes up comes back down.

Apply math and the object flies in a parabolic arc (not accounting for air friction and wind)

Launch it high enough and the arc start looking elliptical. Gravitational force looks less like a constant rather is tempered by distance². If the acceleration closes the ellipse without hitting the (circular at this scale) ground, your object is now a satellite in orbit.

Keep accelerating and eventually (a whole lot of acceleration) and special relativity factors affect the trajectory...and mass...and time dilates between the object and observers.

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