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Wow. This has been a thing in Canada for as long as I can remember. And I am, for Lemmy, damn near antediluvian.
We've had it in California for forever as well (hello fellow old person!) but it was only for aluminum soda/beer/sparkling water cans, plastic soda bottles and glass beer bottles. This measure is adding wine bottles, pouches and boxes, liquor bottles and juice jugs.
Knowing you're a fellow old makes your username that much better, I now love it.
Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense. I'm unsure how long we've been able to recycle those here. I'd assume for always but be not entirely surprised were that not the case.
Not all across Canada. Different provinces = different rules ... ie: Manitoba has zero recycling for wine and liquor bottles (except for blue bin recycling).
Well, til!
That's wild, I wonder why not/if it's a conservative thing somehow?
The NDP has won most provincial elections in Manitoba for the last 50 years, I would be surprised if the conservatives were able to block it here but not elsewhere.
That's wild, I only really notice Manitoba during federal elections where, as far as I recall, conservatives have generally won. Any idea why the two differ? Or am I completely out to lunch?
Back in the day Saskabush and Manitoba were traditionally NDP, because they're both farm-based economies and the NDP developed out of the CCF.
In the 80's both provinces started a swing to the right so PC's became the provincial alternate.
Right, I completely forgot the NDP origin story! Thank you!
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Glass bottles have a list of states where you can return them for a deposit.
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Shh, they're trying to catch up
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We've had this for plastic bottles forever here in Norway.
Same in California for most beverage cans and bottles. It's specifically the wine and liquor containers that are new.
Same in Germany+glass beer bottles. But still not on other alcohol lol
Maybe they don't want you to come back to the store after you emptied that vodka bottle.
For glass it's about standardized refillable bottles. Most eine and spirits come in a variety of bottles depending on origin and are generally not meant to be refilled.
Same for Finland.
In Denmark it's on plastic, aluminum, glass, pretty much anything that can be recycled.
We have it for aluminimum as well in Norway. We used to have it for glass too, but not anymore for some reason.
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Moving from CA to a place with no aluminum recycling was initially weird, then my city completely stopped picking up all recycling... because staff shortages, so the world is full of surprises (guess what else they outlawed here..)
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Sensationalized article doesn't mention at all that you're going to be paying that when you purchase in the first place.
Isn’t that how all container redemption programs are run?
Yeah, it's kind of like those places that make you place a quarter in the shopping cart to use it, but it's more annoying since you aren't typically drinking at the store where you can return it. I get that it's to encourage recycling, but what's wrong with me throwing them in the recycling bin for regular street collection? In that case it's still being recycled but I'm losing out on the fee for every single bottle/can which adds up.
Recyling can have multiple meanings. e.g in germany most bottles are meant to be used multiple times. e.g plastic bottles are refilled up to 20 times. throwing stuff in the recycling bin is only for things that are meant to be melted down and recast.
It's a local news site that just states the facts. California citizens already are aware they pay for it at the counter.
Nothing about this is sensationalized
Here in Germany we have Pfand system to return our bottles and get our cash back since 2003.
In my Canadian province, a mandatory deposit has been in place since 1970. I didn't even realize this wasn't standard elsewhere.
Where though? I haven’t seen cash refund kiosks for years.
One other thing: in CA most stores not near a recycling center are required to take them back and refund you in store.
See https://www2.calrecycle.ca.gov/BevContainer/InStoreRedemption for the list of stores for your zip.
I've done this at Walmart, Safeway, Walgreens, Sams, etc. lots of stores are on that list, and most people don't know. Worst case, ask for a manager, they should know. Also the stores have a sign at the entrance window telling you that they take stuff for CRV. You don't need to have bought it there.
It's much better than finding a place, sorting, weighing, etc
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Enjoy your .05
It's a quarter for boxed wine!! Really though, this title is misleading. It should say "California Redemption Value deposit charge to be added to liquor and juice containers starting in January."
They add it to the price of the product at checkout, it's a "deposit" that you are able to get back if you want to save up your containers and drive them to the recycling center.
I see this mostly benefiting people who make a few dollars a day digging through public (and not so public) trash receptacles looking for things with CRV to turn in.
It pisses me off that we have to pay any fee at all when we aren't the ones who choose a product's packaging.
Companies should be paying the whole thing ... including recycling costs. Then maybe they'd start packaging responsibly.
For things that can't be recycled, I would agree. But if it can be, then it still needs to be brought to a recycling facility to make that happen. Without this incentive, a lot more of it will end up in landfills.
Glass and metal are pretty reusable 😅
Have you kept and reused every glass or metal container you've had?
That's called pant in Norway, and it has existed as long as I have lived. Funny thing is, we actually removed it from glass bottles at some point, so now it only works for plastic bottles (Coca Cola, etc)
They are introducing this in Ireland in 2024. Starting with cans and hard plastic containers. I think it's a great idea. I do hope they expand it to include glass bottles though.
As a German let me tell you it's great. It always feels good to get money for bringing back empty stuff
Hello Pfand friend
Aren't you just paying a deposit when you buy the item and then you get that money back when you return the empty bottle or can?
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Coca cola in particular had been lobbying against these systems for decades. People buy less if the cost is higher, so instead they want their dumb packaging to be spread everywhere.
Beautiful profit interest saves us all
Challenge accepted.
I was trading empty bottles and jars for some money since I was a kid in Estonia. That system is older than the Russian Federation.
Make a free refill program instead ;)
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