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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.

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[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 101 points 9 months ago

The fact that the headline says "Chinese Carmaker" and not "BYD" says a lot about their international market share.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

To be honest, I think it more tells you the article was written by an American for an American audience.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Poorly. Just add the name after Chinese Car maker.

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[-] thejml@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I’m not sure if it’s that or clickbait to get you to find out who it is. That kinda crap has been rampant lately.

Could be both though honestly. Either way, I’m sick of it.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I agree with that, I guess it could have been added after the original headline, maybe putting it in parenthesis.

[-] Chriswild@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Also says a lot that despite that they still make more. Having more global sales in effectively one country is more impressive if anything.

[-] CertifiedBlackGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Eh, it's diminished when that one country holds nearly 17% of earth's entire population, or nearly as much as the next 6 countries by population combined.

When you have that much market, nearly anything you do will break population-based records.

[-] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

India and China have similar populations. It's a bit disingenuous to say China has as much pop as the next 6 countries.

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[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

The headline also says overtakes, while it says "poised to be" in the text.

[-] erwan@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

It says a lot about that "journalist" knowledge of the topic

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

To be fair they are just now entering the US market

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 64 points 9 months ago

oh look, someone doing ev that can actually make vehicles, and theyve eclipsed tesla... no wayy..

no one could have predicted this except, ya know, everyone.

[-] Hazen@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Everyone hates on Tesla for obvious CEO reasons , but Tesla still has great cars. I test drove every electric car manufacturer and model available in central Florida throughout 2021/2022. The model y is by far the best in nearly every aspect. Nothing comes close.

My model y had one panel issue. They gave me a loaner car, it was fixed in 2 days. I haven't had any issues since. I drove it from Orlando, Florida to Toronto,CA and back without issue. It calculates where and how long to charge to continue your trip.

Again, everyone gives it shit but the "self-driving" is 10/10 on the highway ( 7/10 on local roads). It's not fancy lane assist and you'd have to be literally sleeping at the wheel to crash while it's engaged. It made driving there and back a breeze.

Best car I've driven so far. Hands down.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Data and consumer reporting consistently rank Tesla as one of, and frequently THE, most unreliable car company by the numbers as far as quality control. It has nothing to do with Musk hate. The company is infamous for ex-managers confessing that they were told to ship them with the defects because most people didn't bother to have them fixed.

You "only" had a panel issue that required multiday service. That's not supposed to happen with brand new cars.

I'm glad you enjoy the car and driving it though, I bet they are great when they're at their best. Apparently, the China-based ones are fine very well. But it's okay to criticize things that should be criticized.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 3 points 9 months ago

Out of curiosity, how do you use the self-driving? Do you pay attention to the road with your hands on the wheel in case it fails or do you just, I don't know, look at the landscape? If you pay attention to the road what's the benefit over cruise control?

[-] Hazen@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

On the highway, I haven't had it fail or do anything weird in over a year. I watch the road, but keep my hands off. Daily commute, especially when there's traffic, is much less of a mental burden. I'm much more at ease to check my phone or look up a song. Local roads, I keep my hand a 3' o'clock while on the armrest. Not as liberal with diverting my eyes. Letting it do all the work makes driving better, it's definitely more relaxing.

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[-] burliman@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago

Yes. It’s very fashionable to hate Elon Musk, but unfashionable to acknowledge that someone you hate can do good stuff.

[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago

My Renault Megane E-Tech has much nicer interior and better build quality in general than the Tesla Y.

But charging times on the Tesla are really awesomely good

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

And yet so many people are stuck in the pyramid scheme that is Tesla's stock.

[-] Substance_P@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

And those who have ETFs or index funds that track the S&P 500 also have Tesla stock as a hot trash albatross to deal with.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

You leave the majestic albatross out of this.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Man, Tesla is known for their very poor quality these days as well.

I recall 6-7 years ago I had a family member complain about their tesla breaking down. Today, we know this is pretty standard for all of them. We've also all seen how trashy the build quality is outside the electronics as well.

So... Even if these are trashy quality, are they really much worse than Tesla? I look forward to hearing more. I hope this shames Western companies into catching up, the fucking idiots.

[-] Gazumi@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Predicted for this quarter. Musk has been scoffing the idea, whilst watching them catch him and simultaneously shooting himself in the foot with his own plans.

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl 16 points 9 months ago

Meh, the US will slap enough tariffs on these things to make their own Autoindustry competitive again.

So will the EU.

But china has a gigantic middle-class that can afford these things, so I hope they all switch to EV en masse.. it's a win for the planet!

[-] Gazumi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Tariff slapping had been tried by Trump. Very poor outcomes. There will be a more moderated approach, but we will need to see how that pans out

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

I'm confused what you think is going to happen? There at 25% and Biden doesn't think they are high enough, they are already currently in talks of increases AFAIK.

[-] b166erdk@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is complete bullshit, BYD makes the worlds safest EV batteries with their Blade battery, and they are the world leading manufacturer on volume too.

https://evreporter.com/byd-blade-battery-what-makes-it-ultra-safe/

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago

According to some guy named Rahul Bollini? That's not very convincing.

[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

BYD is available in most of the world, the story linked beneath is about a newer model ATTO, but Dolphin is probably even more popular: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/27/byd-atto-3-now-available-in-50-countries-neta-auto-enters-central-south-america/
This is an overview of their global presence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Auto#Global_expansion

[-] filister@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

And still their shares are just a fraction of Tesla's share price.

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl 22 points 9 months ago

Company is beholden to the Chinese government, apparently that is worse than beholden to a manchid and a group of ultrarich shareholders.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Rather ironically, BYD is probably closer to the "value investing" (realistic) value than most hyper-inflated western stocks, which completely decoupled from reality a long time ago...

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Regardless of value sentiment, I'd never consider investing in a Chinese stock. Too much risk that the CCP makes some big overnight change that torpedoes the price.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago

Not like that happens with US stocks.

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[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago

Atleast Musk and Tesla shareholders aren't commiting a genocide so the argument could be made that it indeed is less bad.

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