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[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 241 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: The human battery thing is actually a retcon the Wazowskis did at the last moment because they thought the American public would be too stupid to grok the actual understanding of the Matrix.

Humans are an entropic species, they consume more energy than they produce - any synthetic race that tried to harness energy from a net negative energy producer is an idiot.

What the Matrix is, is actually a distributed simulation MATRIX that uses individual human brains as nodes in a shared, hallucinogenic dream, indistinguishable from reality.

The real simulation isn't so primitive, it doesn't require people to be popsicle tubes in some crazy dystopian cyberpunk black and red tower attended by insectoid robots.

Instead the entire universe is contained on a single state machine, compromising a [redacted] amount of memory, running in [redacted]. Simulants are never aware of being inside of the simulation, except for rare instances where outsiders occasionally post on Lemmy.

Why they do that, we don't know. We suspect that it is [all further content redacted].

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 69 points 1 year ago

I thought I remembered seeing that the reason for the retcon didn't come from the Wachowskis but from a studio note

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

The sequels made me angry by not addressing that mistake. Animatrix even gave an explanation that the ai "treasured intelligence". Then it doubled down on the "humans are an endless supply of energy" mistake.

[-] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

IMO the best explanation would have been that we put ourselves into the matrix and the AI created it following our rules.

[-] Numuruzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago

I think top comment is a reference of some kind.

I heard something similar; the studio didn't think the movie would be popular if they used too many computer terms so they made them change the function to "battery". Initially the reason Neo has powers is because his node happens to have admin access.

It's weird they'd think computer terms would cause the movie to lose popularity. Computers were hugely popular at the time of its release.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Yep, humans weren't supposed to be batteries which would be wasteful, and they might as well use cattle. They were supposed to use human brainpower as CPU for the machines.

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

The distributed computing explanation for purpose of the Matrix doesn’t seem to make much more sense than the power plant one.

All of the nodes are continuously occupied by living in the simulation. Unless the machines had a desperate need to understand human society circa 1999, there is nothing useful the machines could do with all the brain power.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Animatrix (prequel) goes into further detail as to why the machines did it -- it's an act of mercy for their creators. They refused to fight humanity, and it was mankind who darkened the skies, in an attempt to disable the solar power that the machine race relied upon.

It's not a prison, or some kind of torture device, or an experiment, but a way for humanity to continue living on a world that they made uninhabitable for themselves / incompatible with organic life.

Agent Smith : Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

This feels shockingingly similar to how an AI could conclude to caring for humans. The humans are stimulated to be content by being in the matrix, their physical needs are met by the machines, no humans were "harmed" by the machine's standards, and humans are for the most part unable to interfere with the machine's decisions and goals.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Bingo - you got it. As a result of your insightfulness, you are granted one (minor) wish. Make it count. :)

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators.

If only Animatrix had left it at that it would have fixed everything. Instead Animatrix doubled down on bad science by saying humans were an endless renewable supply of energy.

[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

The movie already set that as the reason so Animatrix had to follow.

[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Morpheus was sjown to be wrong on many points, this may be another rationalisation he made. He may have assumed or accepted that it was the reason for being kept in the simulation, without really knowing the truth.

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

It's interesting to compare Smith's speech to The Architect's in the second movie. The Architect said "the first version was perfect in every way" or something, with no accounting for the possibility that it was flawed in some way they didn't understand. Given that The Architect was sitting in a TV filled room, waiting for Neo for who knows how long it was probably a blank white room for every person or something...

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Conscious thought and perception occupy a pretty small amount of our brain power. If you could offload computational tasks to portions of the brain that wouldn't actually need to do anything if you were in the matrix, you could have a surplus.

The visual processing portion of our brains, for example. We have a blind spot over our optic nerve and we're colourblind at our periphery. Our eye hardware actually kinda sucks and we have this massive software layer running on dedicated brain hardware

[-] swab148@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Are you telling me that my brain isn't on Wayland

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[-] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't think there is a satisfying explanation in the movie, it wasn't really the point of the film to give one either.

But i think there is one that's would have been a good fit.

The world getting empty of resources and our planet's condition worsening, we could have made the simulation for ourselves.

Our brain could be fueled by a renewable enough energy and creating all the comfort of modern society inside of the simulation.

That would have been a better plot for the following films too, trying to understand what was Asimov type of rules we put into the AI and how to hack it.

[-] swab148@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I hope the franchise gets picked up for a remake in 20 years, maybe they can do a better job, bringing in all these sorts of ideas, especially if there's a strong fanfiction base (I'm sure there is).

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[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

humans are an entropic species

You make it sound like there is an alternative

[-] swab148@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah let's get atrophic, baby

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This single fact that I learned a few months ago, finally makes many things in the movie make sense since the whole thing about being able to manipulate the simulation by being aware of it and how programs can "be installed" in the meat machine.

Rewatched the 3 movies the other week actively thinking about this and yeah it helps a lot.

[-] BlackNo1@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
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[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I'm glad I'm not the only one who calls them the Wazoswskis lol

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[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 year ago

And now on YouTube the Red Pill symbolizes accepting misogyny as the backbone for society.

Conservatives can truly spin everything for the worst.

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[-] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 66 points 1 year ago

I feel so bad for Laurence Fishburne. This pic does him dirty. It's got him looking like the cenobite Butterball

[-] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 year ago

That's what not being a human battery does to you

!This propaganda was bought to you by the machines!<

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago
[-] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

And singing opera, no less! Thank you for sharing. That makes the picture make way more sense

[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kudos to whoever found the one frame out of a hundred thousand where Fishburne isn't looking like a total badass.

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

This just made me realise the matrix is also an allegory of capitalism

[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

...as well as for whether you'd choose to know harsh realities over comforting dreams. Capitalism has a few choices and perspectives in this regard.

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Yep, the matrix is capitalism (a system of control) and getting unplugged is class consciousness.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 1 year ago

I thought matrix was going to school and getting unplugged was graduating.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 55 points 1 year ago

STEAKS ARE FAKE

REAL STEAK DOESN'T EXIST

LEARN KUNG FUUUUUUUUU

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[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Cypher was right. Ignorance is bliss.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

He didn't have to kill three people though.

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know why but him saying Neo's name a second time has me dyin

[-] Classy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Rick and Morty

[-] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It reminds me of Charlie the Unicorn which has a similar cadence

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I thought he didn't really have a social life.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

He had enough of one to go clubbing with the mescaline guy. Let's be honest: a truly anti-social geek would never even get the invite.

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

He maybe a loner but he isn’t autistic so people still treat him like a fellow human being.

Porridge is delicious.

[-] neurogenesis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

Yea, should probably look into a mirror and practice it a few times before I try it again

[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What happens if you take both the red pill and the blue pill at the same time?

[-] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago
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