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[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago

There is a reason the BDS movement is banned in many states: it works. Good on Malaysia for doing this.

[-] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To be clear, Malaysia is a horror show when it comes to minority rights and only doing this because they hate Israel because they hate Jews. If Malaysia could look past their hatred of Jews they'd be able to see the commonalities they have with the Jewish-supremacist state of Israel.

Not all of your enemy's enemies are your friends.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago

"They hate Israel because they hate Jews" is a strong accusation. Hating Jews usually doesn't decide foreign policy.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

But if you treat Israel different to other states in your foreign policy, thats antisemitic.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

So the fact that we treat Israel differently than we treat Russia, which we treat differently than Italy, which we treat differently than Peru, is all antisemitism?

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Yes.

Btw: why would you treat Russia different to Italy? If Italy commits human rights violation to the same degree as Russia and Israel do, I would expect you to condemn Italy and Peru the same way.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

My point was we treat every country differently

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Its plain and simple antisemitic in this instance. They didn't do this against Russia – who treats the Ukrainians similarly, but without even the slightest reason. They only do it against Israel.

If you use this tool against all human rights violators, I wouldn't complain. But if you only use it against Jews/Israel? Seems to be personally motivated and not for the cause.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They didn’t do this against Russia – who treats the Ukrainians similarly

I mean, Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.

If anything, comparing Israel to Russia should be reason to chastise the states that still do business with Israel.

But you don't see that, do you? It's just 'antisemitism'?

P.S. Good job doing your part to make that word even more meaningless.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I just call it out. Its antisemitism plain and simple.

And the only reason why Russia hasn't succeeded is the far superior air defense of Ukraine compared to Hamas (who itself doesnt care about Palestinians and therefore has almost no air defense at all) and the more densely populated area.

[-] rishado@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

The antisemitism card isn't effective anymore, bud. Cried wolf way too many times.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

So all antisemitism gets a pass now?

[-] rishado@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

When someone criticizes Israel and not all jews, yes.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

And thats not what Malaysia does. Also: if you critize Israel because its a state of jews.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If Israel was treated equivalently to Russia they would've been under heavy sanctions from pretty much everybody by now, given that just in the first 2 weeks of bombing they murdered several Buchas worth (plus a couple of Mariupols) of civilians.

If there is one thing this situation made clear to most of the whole World when put side by side with the Russian invasion and the reaction to it, is the profound hypocrisy and even racist-genocide endorsing spirit of several self-proclaimed freedom-loving nations, especially the US, Germany and the UK.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

The difference between Russia and Israel is, that Russia decided to attack Ukraine and Israel was attacked and is defending itself against Hamas. Nevertheless, even Germany and France are urging to stop the bombing of civilians.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

BULLSHIT!

Only a racists who thinks "they're all the same" would justify killing Palestinians on the actions of Hamas.

Israel is an Occupying Power facing an Insurgence, who have chosen to conduct their anti-Insurgence action using methods with massive rates of collateral deaths and even have operating procedures in place with zero consideration for civilian lives, as clearly demonstrated when they just shot and killed 3 Israelis who were Hamas hostages and escaped and were holding a white flag.

That pro-genocide propaganda technique of yours of "forgetting" all about everything that happenned longer than 3 months ago and profoundly racist trope of trying to justify tens of thousands of Palestinian deaths - over 40% of which children - on 700 Israeli deaths at the hands of Hamas, has long run its course and only morons fall for that crap.

As for Germany, after thousands of Palestinian children had been killed, well past the point when Israeli actions were still justifiable, Scholz was still very explicitly stating Germany's "unwavering support of Israel". Fascism might have been kicked out of Germany but it's still strong in German hearts: they might have added the Jewish people to their lists of "those like us" but their "never again" turns out to not be about stopping racist ultranationalist fascists from murdering with impunity "those who are not like us", only about Germany not treating the Jewish People as "one of us". That bullshit less-than-finger-wagging talk you mention means nothing for a nation that still proclaims its unavering support for a Fascist country committing genocide well beyond the point were there might still have been doubts.

We in Europe better be wary of Germany's remilitarization now that it is crystal clear that they still have no problem with genocidal racist and ultranationalist Fascism, as long as the etnicity of the Fascists is the right one.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Your rant is completely factless. Germany has called for a ceasefire numerous times. At the same time its urging to help civilians and open borders for humanitarian aid. Its calling for a two-state solution, where Palestinians have their own state.

The statement of 'unwavering support of Israel' regards to the existence or Israel, not everything Israel does. Because a lot of states and organizations want Israel to stop existing - for example Hamas.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You're so right!

There is nothing more natural that the leader of a nation which abhors Nazism to loudly restate his unwavering support for a nation governed by an ultra-nationalist, racist, far-right cohalition, the very same day the UN announced they had already killed 4000 children in the ghetto they created on occupied land, populated by a different etnicity, who the leaders of said nation describe as "human animals"!!!

I mean, which leader that trully embodied a humanist and anti-fascist understanding of "Never again" would have as prime concern anything else but the right to exist of a state with such an elected government which according to the UN was killing thousands of children of an etnicity they deem "human animals" in a ghetto of their own creation in such a callous way???!

It's only natural Sholz would aboved all worry about Israel's right to exist in such a situation: there trully was nothing else more important for a humanist anti-Fascist to want to loudly proclaim than that at the time!!!

/s

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Israel funded Hamas. They went after Gaza, not Hamas. Gaza has been unbelievably unyielding during this nearly century long struggle; unlike the occupied West Bank.

At some point you have to reliaze your bullcrap has been sniffed out.

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[-] minyakcurry@monyet.cc 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think the people who downvoted you don't actually understand that this is really Malaysia being antisemitic. This is a country (my country, mind you) that has a term for the Jewish Agenda (Agenda Yahudi), and thought that the vaccines were haram because the Jews were purposely putting pork serum into it.

I'm against Israel as well, but you'd think people would have some nuance when discussing topics like these.

BDS?

Nvm I just looked it up: https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds

Boycott. Divest. Sanctions.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

fuck yes dude let's go

[-] SankaraStone@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Why isn't OPEC imposing sanctions on Israel, refusing to export oil to them, like the US did with Japan in 1941.

[-] Whoresradish@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Because they don't care. Money is more important to them than religion.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

OPEC muslims hate the kind of muslims that Palestinians are? I don't research hate and bigotry so my guess may be wrong.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

If you don't research it, don't spread it.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

At least they had a disclaimer most people wouldn't even do that

[-] Whoresradish@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Most palestinians are Sunni and most islamic OPEC states are sunni so no.

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[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

The WW3 prologue is getting really weird

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I think if we keep in mind all nations are shit and trying to do the same thing then we can realize that it's best to avoid conflict wherever possible.

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