Stranger on the internet: Let me tell you why you are wrong to enjoy this thing and should feel terrible for having the gall to even try.
Also, you cheaped out on buying that entry-level Hobbything 1000. You need to at least buy the expensive 3000 model to enjoy anything.
Yeah 3000 if you’re an idiot, for the price of the 3000 you’d be an idiot not to get the 3000m-ti, you won’t ever use the features but you’d be an idiot not to have them.
There genuinely are cheap versions of stuff (like the Amazon basics hand plane) that suck so much they'll ruin the fun in something. But if you pick anything with a decent name in most hobbies, you'll be okay.
That one is just plain truth though. I’ve got a few hobbies like photography, watchmaking, gaming, knives… The cheapest options are never good.
You should always buy more than you think you need at that time. Because if you do grow in that hobby, you won’t be limited right out of the gate.
You just wouldn’t enjoy playing the cheapest guitar, painting with the cheapest paints or cursing the cheapest woodworking tools.
I’ve always bought better stuff than I needed and have never regretted doing so.
As a counter example, I bought a $100 camera from a pharmacy when I was 15 that took low to mid quality photos and I was so happy with it. I learned about focus, bokeh, framing, etc despite having like 6 preset settings, and that got me into photography. Later I bought a low end DSLR and took 1000 pictures a day during the summer.
For wood carving a $60 set of knives was enough to get me into the hobby, now I get to spend too much money on stuff.
Cheap options can be very helpful to find out if you like something.
I do hate that whenever I mention I liked an older show I get "oooh, you know about the producer/lead actor/writer right?" And then I find out something awful and depressing.
How was everyone in show business so fucking terrible? Did Satan require a cosigner on any new media produced or something, like what the hell?
As a vinyl collector, it really feels impossible to completely avoid problematic older bands. So many of them pulled heinous shit, and often the bigger they were, the more opportunities they had to indulge their worst impulses. But how can we study history without acknowledging our ancestors accomplishments and failures?
I figure if they are dead, they can't hurt anybody anymore, and neither can they benefit. Same goes for buying used.
On Reddit I just read without logging in. It was nice. I'm trying to help build communities on Lemmy, so I'm posting and commenting.
Since doing that, I've been told I'm enjoying my hobby wrong, that my friends enjoy their hobby wrong, the links I researched for a comment thread are wrong (without references to correct info), and that I'm probably wrong about how I want to live.
I know I should have thicker skin, but the slow drip of unfriendliness is alienating.
Have you had positive experiences too, or are they primarily negative?
I've had positive experiences, mostly in the shit-posting and meme communities.
Maybe it's just me, but the negative experiences are way more memorable than the positive ones.
Yeah, I definitely feel that way. Positive experiences just feel ambient, and negative experiences feel like distinct events.
Still, I have the sense that Lemmy is mostly positive, even though there are jerks. I have alot of comments with, like... 7 upvotes and 1 downvote, and of course the downvote sticks out in my mind... But then again, way more people were supportive than negative, and that's kinda cool.
I have a motorcycle. It's a Harley-Davidson. Immediately, everyone is picturing a large and unpleasant looking bearded man riding a huge, noisy, vibrating, chrome bedazzled air cooled motorcycle without a helmet from one bar to the next.
My harley makes about as much noise as a Toyota Camry. I wear full protective gear when riding it, including a bright and attention-getting helmet. It doesn't get ridden to bars, because drinking interferes with my motorcycle addiction.
The large and unpleasant looking bearded man part is accurate, though.
Easiest way to start hating your new hobby is visiting it's subreddit.
It's obvious for video games because you can assume anyone that wants to be active on a specific game sub is probably a try hard that talks about the meta, or max DPS builds, or other annoying stuff. But then you visit something like the carbon steel pan subreddit, or grilled cheese, and you're continually assaulted with this idea that there are only specific pans and oils that are correct, or that your grilled cheese isn't actually a grilled cheese because it was cooked too close to an open pack of salami.
Video game communities suck, and it makes playing them worse.
You play an FPS and everyone uses the meta gun at the time, then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun. Same with RTS and any other multiplayer game. Somehow StarCraft 1 pulled out a perfect rock paper scissors balance, but nothing else really has that so meta is what people do.
And because everyone is so busy grinding and min maxing, that's what the game developers design for now, and it sucks the fun out of games because you just grind hours to get some new items to have the best items in the game.
Occasionally game communities are good. The Chivalry 2 subreddit had a bot that would use GPT to answer questions and then on every post go on about how the polehammer is the best weapon in the game, which was so over the top it made fun of the whole meta idea. The Breath of the Wild communities doing crazy rube Goldberg machines are always fun. And I'll never not enjoy the weird hellscapes people create in the Sims.
then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun
OMG, this was what killed overwatch for me. I'm disabled and can't play games that require fast paced precise and concise actions. So Symetra was my jam. I tried other characters like torbjorn but the all had the same problem. Some 13 yo genji prick would hop circles over my head while my health ticked away and I shot sporadically around at the sky before I inevitably die. But not Sym. All I had to do was backpedal and keep that grasshopper mf'er in my general view. And pop. Pulling him into a doorway with 6 kill lasers was the best feeling the in the world. But that enabled me to be useful to the rest of the team. I occasionally did good enough that I ranked in the top of the match, but I was almost never carried.
And then they nerfed sym because, "nOt EnOuGh PrO pLaYeRs PiCk HeR!!¡!!" No more walking shield. No more turret web. No more over shield for the team. No more wide lock on gun. They turned her into just another precision shooting player. She had a Halloween bag of tricks and they swapped it for a tooth brush.
Last time this happened to me was when I said I liked an experimental musician's youtube channel cause he has a lot of content about his process etc. Got reamed in the comments by a salty user cause the musician once featured a product in a video made by a brand that it's popular to hate, yet used by many musicians. One of the most reddit things ever.
The same subreddit heavily discouraged me, in classic reddit style, from getting a product once. I did anyway following my intuition. Then a year later it became the most recommended product for that purpose.
I enjoyed Cyberpunk at launch. Forgive me...
I did too... Even with a handful of weird bugs, it was an awesome experience (on PC)
I played it on ps5, crashes were very rare and the story/gameplay was great.
Even when it crasehd every hour I had a blast, I learned how to tell if it was about to crash and I would save and rebbot
I'm playing it again and it looks great on v2.1
Fandom is like a coin. A coin that has a shiny surface on one side and a dirty, rusty, smelly layer on the other. Some fans can have the passion and diligence to elevate the media while being respectful, while a lot of fans can be just down right hateful because it's easier to do so while contributing to nothing
This is precisely why I don't give a shit about "weekly episode discussions" and refuse to watch any show until it's available in its entirety.
Looking at VTuber fandom out there. Two weeks ago, a famous female VTuber called Ironmouse (who, BTW, has an immune disease and cannot leave her house) won an award, and you know what the fans of other candidates did? They sent her death threats.
Oh boy 😬
Oh man, I really like One Punch Man, and I've always been a fan of the whole "poking fun at anime tropes thing", but if you spend 30 mins on the subreddit for that subject you find a lot of people that don't really see that the "child that's actually much older than they look" thing isn't a justifiable excuse for filling your sub with subjective images of a child.
At a certain point, it basically became trolling to raise that these people needed their hard drives checked by law enforcement professionals, and less to do with the thing that I actually enjoyed.
Me and the Apex Legends community
Me: This seems like a cool game, and it's free, and it's made by the Titanfall people.
Apex Legends community: Autistic screeching
For many “fans,” it seems like it’s trendy to be cynical and negative.
They can’t just enjoy a new Trek, or Star Wars, or Marvel movie, without picking it apart and finding everything to complain about - and then criticizing not only the show/movie, but the more positive fans who are willing to overlook such trivial issues and just have fun.
Not to mention the really awful subgroups of fans who will hate any genre where a woman hero or a minority hero gets time in the spotlight. They tank viewer ratings, harass the stars on social media, just go out of their way to ruin it for everyone. Totally toxic.
Oh yeah. I did not hang out in Star Trek groups for many years despite being a fan - I didn't near to hear a million times why Enterprise sucked or Discovery sucks or whatever. I enjoyed both and don't need to listen to someone screeching about continuity errors or whatever in a fictional TV show.
And they can't help themselves, more than once I've made a comment like this only to have someone reply, "Well, Discovery sucks because blah blah blah!", and it's like, "THANKS FOR DEMONSTRATING THE POINT I WAS MAKING. YOU'RE THE PROBLEM. YOU."
No one hates Star Trek more than Star Trek fans.
I joined a group on facebook that is called "Wholesomeposting" and that kind of shit is not allowed. It's much nicer that way. The noise level on Lemmy hasn't been too bad, fortunately...so far.
Star Wars fans spending days dissecting the intricacies of a fantasy space opera is highly amusing.
I think, honestly, the worst thing about Star Wars fans discussing the intricacies of Star Wars is that there are no intricacies and it's concerning how many people still missed the points.
Light Side Good Dark Side Bad Shut The Fuck Up About Gray Jedi And The Empire Doing Nothing Wrong
I’ve had the opposite experience. But then again I don’t really watch media without interacting and falling in love with the fandom first.
I wouldn’t have watched Star Trek without Trekkies being awesome.
This rings especially true for Rick and Morty, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Both are good shows ruined by obnoxious fandoms
I love comedy podcasts, The Jeselnek and Rosenthal Vanity Project, a favourite. His style is dark humour and it seems that a significant proportion of the audience actually believe some of the things he jokes about. I think it's one of the reasons they rarely field audience questions and never phone calls.
Comedy can be a minefield for this type of stuff. I'm a big fan of the comedians that can dance around the edge, or seem to cross it and then bring the audience back, eg: Mark Normand, Bill Burr, Jimmy Carr, a lot of the old Norm MacDonald stuff, etc.
But I'll see some fan compilations with titles or comments that make it clear that they don't get the style of humor... Like "[comedian] DESTROYS feminists!!1!"
When, to anyone with a reasonable level of social intelligence, it's abundantly clear that that's not what's happening.
Hmm, what's something I really like that gets shit on all the time? Open-world games with question marks all over the map is a big one. I like checking off points of interest, but it's reviled by many, and I can understand why. I also hate Soulslike games even though they seem to be super popular.
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