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This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image, https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, but it's just a bunch of blogs.

On DuckDuckGo the first result is the Docker Hub image, which is what everyone would want.

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[-] devdad@programming.dev 121 points 2 years ago

Google definitely has its moments of returning crap results, but you chose a terrible example.

Results from both docker and redis, on topic for exactly what you asked for.

Why even use Google at all, when you could search docker hub If that’s what you knew you wanted.

[-] pipows@lemmy.today 111 points 2 years ago

You asked for docker redis image, received docker.com talking about redis, and redis.io talking about docker

Idk that seems pretty on the point to me

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I don’t see the problem here. Those are the pages with the download links (and also instructions to use them, for folks who need it)

What did you want, a direct download link to a file? An FTP site?

You literally got what you asked for. There are plenty of examples of Google search sucking, this is you just being pissy because there’s instructions on a download page.

[-] wkk@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

With such a query the first expected result would be https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, and then blog posts if really that's what you want.

On my device I cannot find a link to dockerhub at all with the same query.

[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 years ago

For anyone wondering, here's that same query in DDG (zoomed out to show same amount of results)

[-] t0fr@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

This is definitely what I'd want if I search for this

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree with OP here, these results are not great.

OP searched for the redis docker image, not a tutorial on how to use it, not a tutorial on why redis should be run in docker, and did not search for redis docker docs. While these are relevant, they should be further down, not the top result. DDG gets this right, and I'm pretty sure other search engines do too.

For a total newbie, these results are probably OK, but for a technical person who knows what they want literally as they type it, Google's results are (excuse my french) simply shit. DDG is miles better at handling this stuff, and they don't need your personal data to do it well either.

Edit: Just went and searched "redis docker image" in a private tab on Google, and the docker hub image for Redis is not even shown on the first page of results

[-] rem26_art@kbin.social 35 points 2 years ago

man SEO really has managed to break search. There's so many random blogs that just have pretty much just your search terms in the title and rarely have anything else of use.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

There's usually just AI-generated meandering with no actual information in it.

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 19 points 2 years ago

This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image

It's the 5th result for me.

Don't really see the "gore" ... those are all relevant results.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

The “gore” is “Google bad.” Not really much else to it.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

On kagi, the first result is also the docker hub link. This example is not actually that bad though, the first 2 results at least still relevant (from docker and redis domains) instead of some random blogspam (3rd result).

[-] flyingjake@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Funny I unintentionally searched kagi with the keywords in the wrong order - and got it in the first resultkagi search results with image link first

[-] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

It's the second result for me.

[-] zzx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Kagi is so good

[-] quams69@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I searched for help on a game I was playing the other day and got 300 results, all the same forum post. Like, the exact same post 300 times

[-] cozy_agent@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Have to say I'm a bit surprised by all the replies that are completely fine with all the results being SEO ridden blogs instead of something useful, for example have you tried searching for a recipe in the last year, 1000 word blog and then the recipe as an extra.

[-] li10@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago

The results you’ve highlighted aren’t “all the results”, they’re the ones you’ve screenshotted to make your point.

One is from dockers website, the other is official redis docs, the results aren’t that bad.

There is an issue with Google’s search these days, this post is just not a great example.

[-] skulblaka@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The top two results you've posted here aren't even SEO blogs, they're official sources. Recipe sites have been bullshit since long, long, long before the past year and the current trend of SEO enshittification. This argument doesn't hold water.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I think most people are just used to Google, I used to be several years ago before moving to DDG.

Now I find Google is way too... "tutorially" and "bloggy" with results, and actually slows down my workflow a lot when I'm looking for a specific thing immediately - usually a bit of scrolling to get what I'm looking for.

DDG (for my use case as a casual search engine, and something to search docs for work) gets you to whatever you want with a much, much shorter and concise query, and pretty much always gets it right each time as the first result

[-] UkaszGra@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Isn't duckduckgo just bing with disabled tracking?

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

cough-bing is actually alright, sorry-cough

[-] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

I was searching how to cast the screen on an Android phone through USB yesterday, and I had to go through pages of "free" Play Store apps and their shitty tutorials, some of which I downloaded, (one had 50 million downloads) two of which were identical skins of each other that wanted payment information and charged $20 a month after a week long trial, to eventually find out it's a default included option on any Samsung phone and can be found in some settings. Google search has completely gone to shit.

If you're still looking for a solution, I highly recommend "scrcpy" https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Get docker redis images cheap! at....

[-] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I had moved to DDG a few years ago and enjoyed it until around the middle of this year when I started getting less and less relevant results.

Started using (and yes, paying for) Kagi 3 or so months ago and it's amazing going back to searches that actually work again. I don't know how well I'd handle moving back to an ad supported search provider.

[-] S410@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I know, right? Google Search has been particularly sheet for the last couple of years.
It's, honestly, mind boggling just how bad things got with it.

The only stuff it's still usually better at finding, compared to other search engines, is super obscure stuff on super obscure sites. Which makes sense, I suppose: hardly anyone has fingers as grabby and far reaching as Google.

[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

!docker redis DDG bangs are the way.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

don't need to bang that one out. docker redis image hit the mark, top result.

[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

These things aren’t smart. They don’t know the context of your search. It doesn’t ask “why are they looking for [keyword]”, it just matches to results that score strongly for the keyword. Yeah, blogs tend to suck up the traffic but the results you got are 1 step away from what you were actually looking for but didn’t include in the search prompt.

[-] Kubrick_stare@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

The real problem is that the internet is being littered by AI generated articles and blog posts. Optimizing your SEO has never been easier because how quickly it can analyse key words / trends etc. This process used to be extremely time consuming- not anymore.

So now we have content that is generated for the sole purpose of getting traffic and serve no real value, competing with actual genuine sources. That's why we're seeing a shift in our search results.

Ideally search engines now have to adapt and learn to differentiate between "real" and AI generated content. but just like global warming I fear we've gone beyond the point of no return, and must suffer the consequences.

@Dagamant

@cozy_agent

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

There's still hope, we just need to actively sabotage these SEO hubs. The easiest and safest one would be an SEO site flagger plugin that would hide links to sites predominately featuring SEO garbage.

[-] Kubrick_stare@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I hope so - but I have my doubts. In many cases it's already impossible for a human to differentiate between A.I generated- and real content. This applies to both image and text.

While I'm on the subject; data poisoning is an interesting idea. If what the researchers behind the tool is true, it may change how copyright laws work on visual content.

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

$ docker search --filter is-official=true redis

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

.....did you even bother clicking the Images tab before creating this post?

[-] clubb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

He shouldn't have to though

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I was searching for a scripting language to embed into an application, then I got popular programming language comparisons, most of which hailed the functional programming paradigm, which is very bad for games.

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 1 points 2 years ago

gafam bad (apple is less bad)

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