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[-] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 184 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Depends. He seems pretty out of it right now and I don't know how much he would really accomplish. He's also pretty old and unhealthy.

But if he comes back angry and the people around him are effective, then yeah we would start looking for other places to live. I'm not trying to live in a Russian-style handmaid's tale.

I don't think it's dramatic to suggest Trump may actually put an end to our democracy though. Another Lemmy commenter summed it up best. They pointed out that we on the left may have disagreed with McCain or Bush, but we never once feared that they would seize power or leave NATO. We trusted them to at least keep the ship afloat and respect the basic tenants of our free and democratic nation.

With Trump, we don't have that. All bets are off because he's an unhinged narcissist. He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now. And he would do it for money, for negative attention, or just because someone told him he couldn't. America has some pretty major faults but China and Russia are not ready to take the reigns. Say what you will about the West but we at least endeavor to protect human rights. I think anyone who isn't trying to build on the current Western peace is incredibly dangerous in a very scary way.

[-] shikitohno@kbin.social 61 points 11 months ago

He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now.

Stabilizing the world is just flat out wrong. At best, the US has stabilized itself and a select few allies. Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan most recently, along with a whole bunch of countries in Central and South America over the last 100 years would probably feel quite strongly that the US has been a disruptive force for them.

[-] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago

As a devout lefty who thinks America and capitalism need a lot more checks and balances, I have to somewhat disagree with you.

When we talk peace, we are talking relative terms. And I suppose I should also add prosperity into the mix.

I think the West has enabled a period of relative peace and prosperity never before seen. And I think it's getting, overall, better every day. Technology and capitalism, for all their evils, have lifted billions out of poverty and saved billions of lives.

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[-] Xtallll 105 points 11 months ago

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

i'll worry about it if and when it happens. i have wasted too much time, energy and resources worrying and catastrophizing about things i cannot control.

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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

What the fuck can I do? Just be even more depressed about the state of the country

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

Not everyone has the luxury of uprooting their lives when a fascist comes.

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[-] Dantpool@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago

If we make plans, and post them on the internet, people start throwing around words like "premeditated" and it just makes things harder.

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[-] Name-Not-Applicable@kbin.social 77 points 11 months ago

I’ll sigh, shake my head, and think, “That figures”. And then I’ll go to work, like every other day.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 36 points 11 months ago

This but perhaps crippling depression as well.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

Watch Democrats blame people they were actively hostile towards for not enthusiastically waiting for hours in the cold to vote for them.

Then watch the world's longest-running uninterrupted democracy with the world's largest military and the world's largest nuclear arsenal become a fascist dictatorship. Maybe I'll die quickly and have a chance to be envied.

Fix your messaging, Dems. Pretend he's a progressive and oppose him.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Lose my last shred of faith in this country, mostly

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

Take a shot for every comment saying "Move to Canada" :)

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[-] IMongoose@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

The same plan I have every election, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

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[-] Facelesscog@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

Well, I've got some rope, a candlestick, a revolver, a lead pipe and a nice knife; I wanted to keep my options open.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

We playing Clue?! I'll be Prof. Plum!

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[-] Aaron@lemmy.nz 46 points 11 months ago

I already moved. It's not just Trump that's the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of "us vs them".

I won't be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can't just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.

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[-] 1smoothcriminal@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago

to continue to live my life

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Voting.

Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a "shithole" state in the words of our treasonous former president.

With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it's going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they've released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia's future looks dim at best. Iran isn't looking too healthy either.

So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren't outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.

Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

Usually I'd grab my bucket of popcorn and watch another 4 years of the shitshow that is US politics.

Unfortunately, this time the same kind of shitshow is happening across the pond in quite a few countries (not just the usual eastern ex-soviet states), including my country. Populist morons fueled by the Trump, Bolsonaro, Le pen, Orbán cookbook.

People are eating this up on social networks and voting for them. I feel it's going to get real nasty.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Yeah! What's so delightful about things is how the U.S. tends to kind of set the climate for the politics in the west. The nazi party here in Sweden wasn't doing bad per se, but after Trump's victory they skyrocketed! They became the second biggest party last election, beating out the milquetoast bourgeoisie for the first time ever.

Believe Italy has the same issue currently. Lovely stuff.

Mind you I'm not blaming the U.S., it's just that big headlines over there tends to colour ours too.

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 41 points 11 months ago

Set up monthly donations to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, volunteer as a PP escort, open up my (Illinois) home to women and families who need to travel for reproductive healthcare.

This isn't off the top of my head, my spouse and I discussed it years ago, before the previous election.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago

Fortunate enough to also have EU citizenship, so I've already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago

Inb4 voting from overseas becomes illegal as a result of some rage filled GOP bill about illegals

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[-] tpihkal@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

The same thing I do after every election, cringe for another four years.

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[-] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Same as I've been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I've been supporting.

I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I'm not sure she'll even have a viable path to the US.

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[-] OmenAtom@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Its a time honored american tradition to shoot someone wearing red clothing thats trying to tell everyone what to do

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[-] Kit 37 points 11 months ago

Wish I could say that I'd move to another country, but realistically I can't afford that. I'd guess I'd live life as normal but I'd always be paranoid at the increased risk of violence against trans people.

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[-] thesilverpig@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

continue being annoyed by the level of corruption and incompetence of the US ruling class while existing in a visibly collapsing empire.

[-] violetraven 36 points 11 months ago

Make sure I have enough meds and reach out to friends to make sure they're safe and are able to get their HRT.

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[-] uriel238 35 points 11 months ago

Probably get sent to a concentration camp. Dunno if California will secede from the union to preserve human rights, if it comes between secession or letting the DHS collect all our immigrants and non-trad women.

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago

Nothing I can do. Just do my best to finish out at college (assuming financial aid is still a thing) and move out of the country ASAP.

[-] somtwo@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago
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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Well since I've been very vocally liberal and anti-Trump over the past 8 years or so, I suspect I'll end up dying in a labor camp.
I don't have the means to get out of the county beforehand or I'd already be out, and I think there's effectively no country that's going to be willing to take political refugees from the United States afterwords, so I'm pretty well fucked.

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago

Continue living in not America. Continue, as an overseas voter, to vote for things I believe in. Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today

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[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Being an immigrant I'll likely have my plans made for me.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Continue to live my life. The president has much less to do with the daily lives of Americans than the media would lead you to believe. They represent only one of the three branches of government.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"The Chancellor has much less to do with the daily lives of Germans than the media would lead you to believe." -- Folks who died in concentration camps, probably

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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago

Send him Big Macs every single day and wait for him to have a heart attack.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm a queer immigrant so flee. I'm not sticking around for whatever comes after that unless we somehow get a significant majority in Congress

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[-] TAG@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Just keep going about my daily life. The result of the election is not going to change where I live or where I work. The Federal Government doesn't have much of an impact on my day to day life, beyond federal laws and regulatory agencies. I don't see those changing in an (immediately) catastrophic way. Most of my day to day life is determined by my state and town government.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

Be a constant reminder to my neighbors to avoid authoritarianism. Continue to push for self and local community reliance. Keep pushing my local governments and organizations to remain or become more inclusive.

Something new though? Maybe support an inclusive civics focused militia near me, if for no other reason so that marginalized people can feel like they have a community that will really fight for them or at least help them defend themselves if things really get that bad.

Donations to the ACLU. They seem like the best bet for the hardest fight of preserving the rights of immigrants. Among all the other things, they have to defend against as well.

[-] Binthinkin@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago

I would be surprised if he wins. It really feels like his time has passed. But if he does I will use resistbot to its fullest capacity.

I don’t think there will be a presidency after him if he does though. I think people generally underestimate the violence it will bring.

Not to mention, they are very used to making poor decisions (see: invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq) and also not fighting back when their elections are stolen or interfered with. (See: Brooks Brother Riot and Trump election)

Good luck dummies!

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[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 months ago

Win or lose we're buying guns.

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[-] Stanwich@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Start doing whatever I can to keep your conservatism out of canada

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[-] Pilkins@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Keep working, drinking, and sleeping. Not much else to do no matter who wins.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago

My boyfriend is Swiss, and there's been a loose open conversation over where we'd want to end up settling long-term. A second Trump term would definitely add several points in the Switzerland column.

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 25 points 11 months ago

Underground railroad for repressed minorities to escape.

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