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submitted 11 months ago by eatham@aussie.zone to c/meta@aussie.zone

Meta threads will open federation to the fediverse soon, and while this is mainly to mastodon it will still affect lemmy. They are acting like they won't be evil, but let's be real this is Facebook when have they ever done that.

This article which has been trending lately explains some of the issues. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

This comment here is a simple analogy if you can't be bothered reading the article. https://lemmy.ca/comment/5702922

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[-] Nath@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A few points to make on this topic:

  1. There is presently nobody to defederate from: They aren't in the fediverse yet, and while we can guess they'll use threads.net as their domain, that's all it would be - a guess. There is no point preemptively defederating from that domain when we don't even know it's what they'll use in federation.
  2. Defederating is trivial from the instance level. Just type their domain to the "blocked instances" setting and it's done for everyone. This move can be made at any time in under a minute.
  3. A change to the behaviour of aussie.zone this large will likely be passed by the users in some way. It's not a thing to undertake lightly.
  4. The new Lemmy allows users to block instances for them personally. If you don't want to personally interract with Threads, just add them to your block list and it's done. You won't see anything from that instance. It'll also mean you won't see replies to their comments made from here. ^*^

^*^ You can't actually defederate from them yet, as the "block instance" UI searches for federated domains and won't permit you to add threads.net as that domain is not federated. You'll need to do this if/when they actually federate with the rest of us.

[-] Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it's really worth watching this Flipboard interview/podcast with Eugen Rochko, the creator of Mastodon.

https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY

He sees it as a good thing, and I'm inclined to trust his judgement - it lets us share our ideals and culture with a broader audience, it lets us engage with a larger amount of content (if we want to), and we still have the power to block it at any point if we decide it's a bad thing. Pre-emptive defederation takes the power out of users hands, only grants more power to large silicon valley corporations, and is self-defeating if the goal is to try to move to a federated web.

Also, their federation is likely to have a near non-existent impact on aussie.zone, given we're a link-aggregation platform and not a microblog like Mastodon or Kbin.

[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm deeply conflicted about this, I want federation with big services, I think that is part of the raison d'etre of #activitypub.

But I know the risks, I'm old enough to remember #Microsoft embracing and extinguishing the browser, #Goggle defederating from #XMPP and #Facebook predatory tactics.

Also, I'm starting to think that federation with the big players is unstoppable. The protocol is open and there is no way to get every instance operator on board with the #fedipact . If people want to see the big players' content they'll move to an instance that federates with them. And defederating from those that connect to threads sounds like a Zealot's suicide pact.

Ideally we'd need some kind of legal protection, that makes big services accoutable for what they do with open protocols, but the best we can hope is that the threat of such legislation being enacted will scare the bigs ones into playing fair.

In the mean while there are no technical measures that I can think of and the social measures are unlikely to work. The only thing we can do is to enter into this with open eyes, aware of our history and hope for the best.

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wonder if there is some way that ActivityPub could be patented with license granted to all software licensed under the AGPL so all servers, clients would need to be source-available

[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You could think of some mad version of the AGPL that requires software that interoperates with yours to open its source, but I doubt it would fly in court.

Patenting an open standard (like activity pub) sound like an oxymoron.

[-] eatham@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

According to this he has signed a pact to block Threads.

[-] lodion@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Someone has misunderstood my previous comments on this topic: https://aussie.zone/post/298893

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

That or they're trying to pressure you

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Damn, what's the point of a pact if people are being included without signing or even being notified? Makes me question the accuracy of the entire list.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All I want to say is please do not let Facebook destroy us. It has destroyed democracies and got away with it because it has the money and nobody can touch it. We don't know what their plan is but please be on the safe side. If they try to destroy us , we sure can't do anything and will be scrambling for help at the last moment will he stupid AF. Better safe than sorry so there's no point of "wait and see". If all instances starts defederating then that'll surely send them a message and they might stop wasting money on threads.net like they did with their VR bullshit.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Lol this is not Microsoft teams

[-] eatham@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Pinging is a feature mate.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Lol you edited your comment 😛 . Before it was just @loindon

[-] eatham@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Ik. Sometimes I forget the instance by accident and add it back later

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