There is nothing to gain from interaction with Meta/Threads

Here's my not-at-all-qualified take:

Let the federation ride. If Threads users add meaningful content and activity, then cool.

But the second we see a Meta ad, pull that fucking plug. We should not be distributing their ads for free (or at all).

Personally I think this is ridiculous.

First, there's the simple fact that Lemmy's interaction with Threads will likely be the same relatively rare/limited interaction we currently have with Mastodon. People might show up to comment from time to time, and we'll be able to @mention their users. But that's about it. It's not a serious issue for Lemmy instances to be concerned about.

But second, I think pre-emptive defederation here, regardless of whether we're talking about Lemmy or Mastodon instances, is ridiculous. If they start doing bad things, it is trivial to defederate at that time. If they don't, we're much better off letting them participate and benefit from the increased number and variety of users with whom we can interact thanks to their participation in the fediverse.

Don't fall for FUD when there's an opportunity knocking.

Meta don't deserve any chances, I'm here to get away from that toxic bull and would much prefer it to be blocked from any instance I interact with.

When I last looked at the defederations of some Mastodon servers, everyone was already blocking Threads. This was a year ago. Instances running Lemmy and Kbin and like should probably do the same.

For completeness there was a discussion (outdated) a few months back on this for anyone interested: https://aussie.zone/post/401165

Fully agreed, anyone who doesn't either works for Meta or can't see the writing on the wall about what this will do to the fediverse.

Unfortunately, as much as I like Lemmy. It's kind of stuck in a catch-22 situation.

The bigger it grows the more likely it is to be destroyed by "bad actors"

I'll be blocking it the first time it shows up on my feed anyway.

I don't quite understand, would it be harder to defederate later, once they start becoming evil? Lemmy and Mastodon were founded to actively distance ourselves from the likes of Twitter and Reddit. We're not here because it's the only option we have or because we're creating a whole new system. We're here because we chose to and decide that we could live without relying on those big corporations. Surely, people here are more willing to give Meta the middle finger and wouldn't mind blocking Threads if that ever happened right?

I presume this will be the case, but don’t think there’s been any official announcement yet. The majority of current servers have planned to resist by defederating.

So this means I'll be seeing what people post on threads in my lemmy app?

This seems like a very important discussion but let me tell you how I came across it. It's possible many others on Aussie Zone fall into a similar boat as mine. If not please ignore.

I only use Voyager to interact with Lemmy regularly. Occasionally I check out Aussie Zone via a browser but that's very rare.

I think the 'Default feed' for Voyager is 'Home' which are the coms I've subbed to. I didn't even know what 'Local' was until I looked it up just now (while trying to find out if Voyager can list all the coms of an instance like the coms page in a desktop browser, which I don't think it does).

So I was surprised not to see this discussion earlier after seeing it pop up more broadly across the lemmyverse. Turns out that's because I never selected the Local feed to see what everyone is talking about and because I wasn't subbed to Meta (as in the Aussie Zone com, not the company) until now.

If my ignorance is unusual for Aussie Zone folk then please ignore this comment. If it's possible that lots of other active or semi-active local users are not seeing this discussion is there any way to highlight it across the instance?

I posted this link in a reply but I'll put it here just incase. According to this part of the threads TOS by interacting with a threads user they will collect your data and send targeted ads.

https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111585528118111249

~~This is how I think about this.~~

Edit - this is what comes to mind when I think about this

I'm not sure that most Lemmy users have much to fear from Threads because it's a microblogging thing which Lemmy isn't. I

I'm on Kbin where there's slightly more of a concern in theory because Kbin has microblogging capabilities baked in but I don't think it's used very much (I have a separate Mastodon account anyway and that's where the real discussions about all this are happening understandably).

In practice I don't know, I have a strong feeling Meta aren't really interested in this corner of the fediverse right now, they want to be a Twitter-killer after all not a Reddit competitor. Which is why if you're interested in the subject most of the actual debate is going on Mastodon or equivalents.

None of this is going against your main point necessarily, Meta are obviously very shady. But also innocent until proven guilty, you know? Most instances have a pretty solid code of law.

Mods are going to be in for a bumpy ride though...