I'm all for allowing nudity in general, but it would be nice if you could actually block it or at least remove it from your recommendations.
One time I accidently clicked on one of these bathtub streamers and since then there always is one in my recommendation, with no way to remove it. I literally had to install a browser extention "Unwanted Twitch" to finally get rid of it.
My home page is literally bathtub streamers and horny VR chat streamers, I think it's because I watch VR chat meme streamers (lolathon, darrenzeus) and the algorithm just thinks that means I want horny shit. I'll have to look at that extension.
I agree twitch is stuck but for me they shouldn't allow more nudity. Even if they put it in different categories. It s not a problem of puritanism , it s just that kid will have a direct access to literals strip stream , and your twitch account is directly linked with your amazon account and your cc. I have absolutely not problel with site like chaturbate , because you have to search for it , its completely clear on the content and even if of course there are kids who will browse it , well its more" difficult " to pay on it . Oh and btw on twitch the streamer is way closer to the chat than on any cam site the line between streamer and porn is too blur.
Is it really that hard for twitch to create an option to mark a stream as mature only Allowing 16+ accounts? (Should be mature enough for erotic non porn)
Kids who lie about their age know what there doing and require more parental oversight when signing up to a platform.
I don't understand, children cannot see nudity? Is it bad for them?
Personally, I don't care about nudity.
My concerns are with normalizing hypersexualization. Both in the way that it turns normal nudity into some erotic situation which leads to nursing mothers being explicit and in the way it teaches people, and in particular children, that behaviour towards sex workers is normal behaviour to have when dealing with people outside of sex work. Including those sex workers.
Having some gate between regular content and erotic content can help establish a line that easy for people, and children, to understand. If a streamer doesn't turn off the camera to change and he or she is nude on stream, I don't care about. If a streamer does a strip tease for the outfit change, I'd want a separation or warning. I don't think it should be blocked, but sexualization and nudity are different things and should be treated differently. Sexuality should be a very opt-in process.
I very much agree with you, but I'm not sure the concept easily translates to online media.
I've gone to nudist waterparks since I was 14, and my mother sometimes took me to the sauna at an even younger age, so basically grew up with non-sexualised nudity. But it took some social feedback to learn it, like learning the difference between looking and staring.
That last aspect is lost when it comes to streaming or videos. There is nothing preventing you from sexualising any nudity on screen.
They absolutely can and even should be exposed to healthy non sexualized human bodies but all is depending on the context.
I dont think people who are to young to understand topics like consent and objectification have any business on stream made for erotic tinted pleasure because we cant expect them to behave mature about the content and towards the streamer. Thats even a problem for adults but we simply should know better, kids cant and will at worst imitate toxic adult behavior offline.
I also put the age at 16 because i think 18 is to unrealistic and depending on maturity much younger teens may have the right level of maturity but we cant really know that when allowing people acces to such streams.
Thank you for acknowledging this. So many people grossly oversimplify objections to this into some sort of prudish anti-nudity thing. That's not it, they're arguing against strawmen.
I have an issue with the ongoing sexualization of content available to children, and I have precisely negative faith in Twitch's ability to properly discriminate between "artistic" and not.
I think you make some good points, I'm a bit torn on this topic and am not sure what to think yet. I do however agree that preventing the user from hiding any topic they don't want to see is harmful.
Platforms need to add common-sense controls like category blocking and family modes (which the user can craft themselves).
My biggest complaint here is the platform deciding what I want to watch.
I don't think people care about the nudity as much as they care about the intent behind the nudity. Streamers seem to be edging as close to the line of porn as they can in order to gain views and money. This isn't someone simply walking around a beach without a top on.
I don't care if people want to fingerbang or jack themselves on cam while playing Zelda, but don't fucking blend it in and recommend it to people on a site specifically designed for children. That's what turns it from "someone seeking it out on their own" (as with the availability of porn on the rest of the internet) to "let's shove it in your face to boost our quarterly profits during an economic slump." People can claim that this all should be prevented by rules and tags but let's be real people are going to do whatever they can to skirt the rules and standout from the crowd and no human being is actually going to be moderating any of this just like with YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, or any other similar site.
There's a huge difference between nudity in the neutral sense of "no clothes on" and erotica (which may or may not involve nudity, but usually does).
My kids see nudity all the time. They see me and their mum nude in the mornings when we're getting dressed, they see people nude in the changing rooms at the swimming pool, they undoubtedly see other kids nude at nursery in the course of the day. That's all normal and healthy.
That's not the same as letting my 3 year old watch porn.
Porn is a complex subject even for adults, and absolutely needs an adult perspective to contextualise it, understand it, and potentially recognise when something about it is seriously wrong. This is something that is perfectly reasonable to limit to adults.
That's already a thing, but 18+ like the law states. Streamers can mark their streams mature and it shows you a warning and disclaimer. Only twitch needs is kids accounts with the option for a parent to disable access to those streams.
"It's not a problem of puritanism, but (puritan argument)"
Why is twitch becoming a cam soft porn site? It was supposed to be about gaming. I just want to watch people play games.
You're in luck! There are millions of people playing games on Twitch. Who knew?
Well, you see, it turned out that people are far more willing to fork over money when they get to see boobs instead of noobs.
goes on Twitch
finds game
watches someone play it
At some point in there I completely ignored all the discount OnlyFans over on IRL and Just Chatting tags.
That said: An opt-in with specific categories would halt a lot of the people complaining. Been awhile since I've dug into websites design, though thay shouldn't be too difficult to implement, especially as they already have tags.
It hasn't been strictly gaming for many years,
What is interesting is if you don't click on or watch those streams Twitch doesn't recommend them to you.
A lot of the complaining is often just an unaware self report which is kinda funny.
Your comment insinuates that you have trouble finding gamers on the platform, as if there's a finite limit on creator count and the gamers are getting pushed out by non-gaming creators, which is obviously not the case.
Is it a matter of going to Twitch for games but then getting roped in by the porn instead? If so, that's pretty funny tbh.
Twitch is stuck between a religious rock and a hard-as-wood place.
Hard-as-rock?
Boners
They meant hard ass wood
Interesting how we've gone from "expecting nudity from women is sexist" to "NOT expecting nudity from women is sexist".
I don't think that's the message at all. It's disproportionately punishing women for nudity that is sexist.
Telling women what they can, can't, must, or mustn't wear is the sexist part
I'm gonna get downvoted, but this culture where teenagers can form parasocial relationships with what are essentially softcore pornstars and a culture where women can very easily become pornstars isn't healthy.
I believe some of them are on websites like OnlyFans, which can be real porn if they decide to do so. I imagine being on Twitch is a method to be discovered.
I also agree with what you said. I also dislike how pornographic content is served right next to normal innocent content. It's like having porn channels on TV right next to the family channels.
So what happens when a minor streams themselves nude to thousands of viewers? Does everyone get charged?
LOL what? It would be the same if a minor uploaded themselves to Pornhub. The video would just be taken down.
Pornhub isn't a live stream.
You think there were no incidents of live streamed cp on Omegle or ChatRoulette? Naive af
You missed my point entirely. If underage porn ends up on pornhub, do the viewers get arrested? No, of course not.
well, now I really don't feel like I'm missing much on twitch.
Are minors allowed to stream? I don't know if it's worth the legal hassle.
Rules are 13 with parents written legal permission delivered to twitch’s legal team last i remember. I had a friend whose daughter wanted to stream when she was like 15 a few years ago, thankfully she was talked out of it
A bunch of furries tried to abide by this policy and ended up getting banned lol
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In one prominent example, just two days before the policy change, Twitch banned OnlyFans model Morgpie for posting "topless" streams.
Hession confirmed that Twitch's policy prohibiting "content that ‘deliberately highlighted breasts, buttocks or pelvic region,’ even when fully clothed" was confusing.
"Streamers found it difficult to determine what was prohibited and what was allowed and often evaluating whether or not a stream violated this portion of the policy was subjective," Hession wrote.
The only exceptions will be made for streams labeled as including mature-rated games and profanity, which will still appear in the main feed on the homepage.
"In addition to providing clarity, these updates will also reduce the risk of inconsistent enforcement and bring our policy more in line with other social media services."
“With the updated terms of service, content on Twitch containing mature themes will be allowed but no longer pushed on the homepage of the site,” Morgpie told Dexerto.
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I think rule no. 2 should be more clarified.
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