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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Simon Paul and Travis John Branson were indicted for allegedly gunning down thousands of birds, including eagles protected by federal law, over the course of several years.

A grand jury indicted two men on charges of going on a yearslong "killing spree" of federally protected eagles and selling "this country's national symbol" on the black market, court documents revealed.

Simon Paul and Travis John Branson were each charged last week with one count of alleged conspiracy and 13 counts of violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

Federal prosecutors said they have messages from Branson stating that he was "committing felonies" and "telling buyers he was 'on a killing spree' to obtain eagle tail feathers for future sales."

Branson would travel from Washington state to the Flathead Indian Reservation in Montana to meet up with Paul who'd "help kill, transport and ship bald and golden eagles for future sales on the black market," according to the indictment.

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[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago

It’s not enough to destroy the earth. The ruling class needs hunting trophies of the species they’re driving extinct.

Our world is ruled by evil sociopaths. That’s the unifying theory that explains everything. Ruthless sociopaths with infinite money have declared war on the planet and everything that lives here.

[-] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Are those people part of the ruling class? Never heard of them nor did a brief search bring anything up (I'm not American though).

Anyway, instead of calling it a "war" by the ruling class I prefer to explain stuff with Hanlon's Razor which fits here, too.

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 11 points 10 months ago

I do see what you mean, but I do have to disagree on that point.

Someone involved in illegal bird killing or other acts of environmental destruction (oil, gas, producing garbage, ...) most surely knows what the effects of their actions are, but their want for personal gain is bigger.

And the moral difference between doing something terrible out of mallice or greed is very small, if it even exists.

Slavery isn't better when it's done just for the money.

[-] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

You're right about this specific case. Those guys were probably just greedy to the point of evil.

However, the comment I replied to made a pretty universal claim about rulers. And at least looking at our rulers in Europe I see more incompetence than malice.

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

However, the comment I replied to made a pretty universal claim about rulers.

Yeah, universal statements tend to lack nuance.

But especially with the right-wing parties I see quite a bit of malice for the point of personal gain.

And at least in Austria, Germany and the UK the conservatives are so deep into working for personal gain, that they completely forget what would benefit the country and the people.

(I don't have enough deep enough insight into the governments of other countries in Europe to say anything about that, but from what I read, Hungary and Italy are not better off)

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

"So you see, that is why Evil will always triumph: because Good is dumb."

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The ruling class needs hunting trophies of the species they’re driving extinct.

Bald Eagles are not endangered.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Niether are filthy rich sociopaths. Maybe we should do something about that.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

What do the filthy rich have to do with this?

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Who do you think is paying these chucklefucks to murder birds? It's not poor people with no money...

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Give them The Promethean Punishment. Expose their livers, and let the birds have at it.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

Persians have you beat:

It ostensibly entailed trapping the victim between two boats, feeding and covering them with milk and honey, and allowing them to fester and be devoured by insects and other vermin over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 45 points 10 months ago

That might be a worse fate, but it's not as poetic as being devoured by birds for the crime of murdering birds.

[-] fung@sh.itjust.works 44 points 10 months ago

Some people have zero respect for their own lives, and by extension, any living thing. Money insidiously affects all, whether you're a have or a have not.

We must try our best to nurture and understand our world instead of "conquering" it.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Bald Eagles are pests in some of Alaska. They violated the law and so are poachers, but how is this ethically different from working at a slaughterhouse?

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

I love animals, i eat them, i don't care if they rot away in a factory farm and never saw the sunlight, but man i do really care and love animals. Right, got it.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

Did you stretch before you got to twisting?

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I'm confused why you're responding that to me

[-] floridaman 12 points 10 months ago

biggest montana crime of 2023

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Another day of "prosecutor uses inflammatory words to help newspapers write headlines". It's not a "killing spree", it's just poaching. They are normal poachers, not serial killers.

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Another day of prosecution using the defendant's words against them. Did you read the article? They literally said that in text messages

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Federal prosecutors said they have messages from Branson stating that he was "committing felonies" and "telling buyers he was 'on a killing spree' to obtain eagle tail feathers for future sales."

It doesn't really say the context though. And, again, it doesn't matter if they believe it themselves. I'm not defending them. I'm saying this is no different from other poachers, and describing it as a killing spree when it went on over years is clickbait. Regardless of if they said it or not.

[-] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

I think you just lack the humility to admit fault

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I admit I didn't read that, but I also think it's ridiculous that just because they at some point texted that, that it somehow makes it an accurate description.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Accurate or not, it's useful for the prosecution.
It shows they knew what they were doing was wrong but kept doing it.

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I mean what else would you call killing 3000 birds? That's an insane amount.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 14 points 10 months ago

Killing one protected animal makes you a poacher, killing THOUSANDS over years for no valid reason certainly counts as serial killer behavior.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I mean over 3k birds sounds like a spree of killing sprees to me. The headline says birds, so there's no chance of confusion that it means people. They are poachers who went on a series of bird killing sprees.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

spree

/sprē/

noun

a spell or sustained period of unrestrained activity of a particular kind.

Unless you dispute the word 'killing,' which I would also be happy to define for you, I'm pretty sure 'killing spree' is the correct description

[-] xcutie@linux.community 5 points 10 months ago

Birds aren't real!

[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

🦅🔫🦅🔫🦅🔫

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