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[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 141 points 10 months ago

I think there's something fundamentally wrong with British culture. How do they keep electing such garbage politicians? It's like every decision they make looks awful to everyone but Brits only realize it after the fact.

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 135 points 10 months ago

While you are not wrong it's worth noting he was not elected by the public and even worse before he was basically handed the job he ran (internaly) on a platform of fixing the economy he fucked as chancellor of the exchequer

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well someone keeps voting in the fucking tories. If they didn't, he wouldn't be PM right now.

[-] TheMongoose@kbin.social 36 points 10 months ago

While true, the Tory party that won the last election looks a bit different to the gobshites that are in government now.

Don't get me wrong, I thought the last lot were assholes as well, but while technically legal, swapping out basically all of the government several times seems like a bit of a bait and switch.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah same can be said for republicans. Seems like conservative parties around the western world are going batshit crazy lately

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The guy that was elected by the public was Boris Johnson, who is arguably even worse.

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Britain elects parties who then choose the leader. Thats how weve had so many different PMs. Its not like for example where the people elect an individual for four years.

We had a PM who lasted less time than a lettuce. All chosen by the conservative party

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Look who is voting and who isn't.

[-] Piatro@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

Another commenter said this but the last two prime ministers were only chosen by the conservative party membership, not by general election. So about 30,000 people have decided the ruler of the country for the past couple of years. You can argue about PMs before then but First Past the Post voting also has a lot to answer for.

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[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 68 points 10 months ago

Americans get too excited when they read headlines like this. Nobody voted for Rishi, they voted for the Tories what felt like a decade ago. The Tories have had a revolving door policy, and new rubes keep taking the PM position after the last one leaves/is forced out. Some portion of that 70% are Tory voters who just want another spin on the PM wheel.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

How long has it been since the last election?

[-] TheOgreChef@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Last election was in 2019, and they’re usually every 5 years. The next one has to be set for no later than January 2025, but could be earlier than that.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ummm.... Why the variable timeline? I don't really understand US politics, and I'm an American. I've no hope of really understanding the UK system... Still, how do you not just vote in a new government/PM/MPs on a set schedule? That's the most not British thing I've ever heard of. I thought you guys love routines.

[-] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 13 points 10 months ago

We have the same system in Australia. Constitution sets a maximum govt term but a parliamentary majority can call an election at any time before then.

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[-] Minarble@aussie.zone 38 points 10 months ago

Is that because he is a twat?

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 15 points 10 months ago

No, it's because he's a Conservative MP

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

A distinction without a difference

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago
[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago

Conservative MP is only a subset of twat species, and I would say a more severe variety.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Surely the next Tory PM the British voters elect won't try to implement all of the terrible and unpopular policies that the tories openly espouse!

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago

did you know that any time a child is born in britain that child has a 10% chance of becoming a tory PM when the sitting one resigns in shame?

[-] Netrunner@programming.dev 17 points 10 months ago

Hardly feels like it matters....is the next person going to be just as bad, it's exhausting...

[-] UserMeNever@feddit.nl 17 points 10 months ago

What do you mean "any longer" ?! We never wanted him. 4th choise of one party.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Start the lettuce.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

I'm not from the UK but from what I have seen the UK seems to really be heading in the same direction as the US where there are two absolutely awful parties to vote for and one is like 10% better.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

Only if you buy into the Murdoch press. Similar thoughts tend to be expressed about Australia’s Labor party also, when the actual reality is markedly different.

[-] Contestant@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Seems like a simple answer to vote for the one that's 10% better

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I mean okay but just like the US, you get what you voted for.

[-] BaronVonBort@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

Honestly that’s the thing about when the UK talks shit about US politics - yeah, we have our problems but yall VOTED to destroy your economy and close your borders to your own detriment and you currently have a revolving door PM where one of them got outlasted by a head of iceberg.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In all fairness Britain are the only self-proclaimed Democracy ("Oldest in the World", they tell us) with an even more undemocratic political system than the US, because in addition to a First Past The Post voting system, they also have a monarch with - as was exposed a couple of years ago - real power as head of state, an unelected Second Chamber with inherited and nominated-for-live positions and, probably worse, no written Constituition so any party in Parliament with a simple 50% + 1 majority can pretty much do whatever they want.

The FTPT + No Constitution combination is probably the worst part, as it means that a party with a mere 41% of votes of cast (so about the votes of only 1/4 of voters, due to abstention) - such as the current ones - can get a parliamentary majority (so, more than 50% of seats) and do things that in other countries would require constitutional changes (which generally require 66% or 75% of votes, depending on country), so things like changing the local definition of Human Rights.

Mind you, the Brexit vote isn't at all affected by these things, so your point still stands unaffected by those considerations.

[-] BaronVonBort@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I appreciate the response, because this is actually fascinating. As much as I think America’s system is broken, it’s more to do with political spend and gerrymandering than literal centuries of aristocracy deciding it.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

He wasn’t voted for

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

That number seems low considering how incompetent the Tories are.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

When only the elderly vote, you get shit government.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Then call for an election and kick the Conservative sods out of the chambers.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Looking as who is voting, you're not going to remove any Tories.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

The blue Tories are absolutely finished. The red Tories are definitely getting in next election.

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[-] Navarian@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

For what it's worth, in 2019 a majority of people voted for parties other than the Tories. They received 43% of the vote, and their leader at the time was Boris Johnson.

The last two Prime Ministers weren't elected by voters, though I suppose you could argue that the majority of voters didn't elect Boris either.

The comments I'm seeing saying something like "well you voted for this" are incredibly misguided. We have a fucking terribly archaic voting system that doesn't serve us at all, there are several large pushes throughout the UK trying to change that.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

First past the post has to go. I believe it's the most important issue in our country right now, because it's stopping us from dealing with the actually important issues. To wit: we're debating sending 100 refugees or less a year to Rwanda as a matter of the utmost urgency while the world is catching fire, in any metaphorical sense you care to mention. Geographical concentration of voters should no longer confer political power where the open internet exists.

There are two problems with the urgent need to change this broken broken system though: 1. I don't know what better to replace it with, and 2. I don't have enough faith in the British public anymore to actually agree on the more important issues once it's gone.

Side note: the argument doing the rounds about "but the far right will get in" is irrelevant because our last two home secretaries have been irreconcilable, despicable far-right headbangers. They're already in.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

That's 30% lower than members of Rishi's personal bathroom.

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