YouTube is deliberately crippling Firefox on ARM systems : technology

[-] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 211 points 11 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago

Hell net neutrality laws might even have relevance if they keep this up.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Edit 2: Well, at least I know I'm right. Downvote away.

Sorry, I'm all for net neutrality, but behavior based on browser usage, while dickish, has nothing to do with it.

Edit: it seems like I'm being schooled. Got any sources to back up your downvotes?

Edit 3: nope. I'm not being schooled. The downvoters should either get better informed or stop downvoting with their emotions.

[-] Zunon@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

yes it does, net neutrality not only has to do with the ISP but also the services. different useragent string should NOT lead to a worse quality of service.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

Right, but your service provider has nothing to do with that difference. The fact that the entity you're contacting on the other end of the connection is providing a degraded experience isn't an internet service delivery problem.

Your internet service, which is what net neutrality is concerned with, is distinct from services on the internet. In the same way that your phone service has nothing to do with the quality of service you get from HP's telephone support line.

[-] ag10n@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

The web is based on open standards; that’s what made it universally accessible. How does limiting access based on how you access the web benefit anyone?

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago

It doesn't, but that isn't their point. They're simply pointing out that existing net neutrality laws in the US usually only apply to ISPs and telcos, not internet businesses.

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[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Got any source on that? I'm legitimately asking to learn more about that.

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[-] lud@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago

It also does that with other unrecognised user agents.

Personally I don't understand why someone would still use Google when duckduckgo has more features and is just as good for searching and in the very rare case it isn't you can easily switch back temporarily by just adding the prefix "!g" to your query.

[-] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

I tried duckduckgo for a while and kept coming back to Google for "real" searches at work. It's not as good for searching in my experience. Yet.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Duckduckgo has become a little better than it used to be... but google has also become a whole lot worse.

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[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

The vast majority of times I go back to Google to do a search I find it also returns useless results. I'm not convinced it's any better than duckduckgo. I think it used to be, but not anymore.

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 157 points 11 months ago

Someone, light the EU signal!

Lawsuit intensifies in the distance

[-] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 135 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fuck Google. Ruining the internet for profit.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

They dont want to just run it.

they want to control and dictate it.

Google needs a massive regulatory hammer to come down on it and smash it into dozens, if not hundreds, of tiny individual companies

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[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 95 points 11 months ago

Can you say Anticompetition practices?

1 lawsuit, 2 lawsuit, 3 lawsuit ah ah ah

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Slam dunks, yes. But does any of the people who would bring a case against then have enough money to fight an army of more lawyers? Probably not.

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[-] LWD@lemm.ee 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 83 points 11 months ago

YouTube thinks aarch64 Firefox is... a HiSense TV?!?!?!?!

Ah yes, televisions are exactly where the user wants lower resolution

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago

They finally made YouTube unusable for me even with ublock. Refreshing the filters didn't work and told me I could only watch 3 videos.

Google was always going to win the war but I didn't expect it to be like this.

I'm now using piped for all YouTube videos.

[-] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I randomly stopped getting the anti-adblocking. On my gaming PC I never got them, on my laptop they went away after I disabled my adblocking for one video and then re-enabled it. Now I don't get them at all. Did they give up on me?

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Using an alternative front end isn’t losing

Once they get rid of front ends and you go back they’ll have won

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[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From what I can understand from the thread, they aren't deliberatly crippling FF.

[-] windowsphoneguy@feddit.de 66 points 11 months ago

Oh, they also do that. Just not based on architecture. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23970721/google-youtube-ad-blocker-five-second-delay-firefox-chrome

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

The way I read it is Chrome gets a pass on the architecture crippling, the others don't.

Someone correct me if I got the wrong idea.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

So Google is saying out loud they are trying to be Microsoft and abuse its near monopoy to push their other products.

Got it.

[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It looks like also this was against adblocker so, again, not specifically Firefox. Quote from the article itself:

The issue was initially reported as targeting Firefox users, but users online have said they’re seeing the delay in Chrome and Edge, too. Reddit and Hacker News users who’ve examined the code that appears to be causing the delay have said they see no indication that YouTube checks what kind of browser is in use. Mozilla’s senior brand manager Damiano DeMonte wrote in an email to The Verge that “there’s no evidence that this is a Firefox-specific issue.

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[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Which turned out to also have nothing to do with FF but is targeting adblockers.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

Hmm, anti competitive practices.

[-] OnlyAwfulNamesLeft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 11 months ago

If only there was some kind of legislation that protected an open and fair internet...

[-] lhx@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

That’s gonna be a lawsuit…

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[-] Epzillon@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

The more bullshit like this I read about YouTube the more I despite them. I already use GrayJay on mobile and I'm using ublock Origin + ublock Matrix on Librewolf to control cookie usage on desktop. So far I've been able escape the video player block by clearing cache.

I'm just waiting for the day they "force" me onto another frontend.

[-] Jeom@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

doesnt ublock origin already block youtube's anti adblock?

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 66 points 11 months ago

User Agent String: A browser's way of lying about what it is, in order to not trigger some server's arcane content filtering system.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 54 points 11 months ago

User Agents should be optional. The whole idea of the Internet was that the server should respond the same way to the same request regardless of the client's qualities.

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[-] slimarev92@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

I like how nobody actually bothered to read the thread and doesn't understand this is a bug and wasn't done on purpose.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 41 points 11 months ago

Having bugs for platforms outside the walled garden is a feature of the walled garden. That's the beauty of it, they don't need to purposefully cripple Firefox and other engines if they just don't take it into account when creating features.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Quite a reductive statement based on a very small obscured window into what Google is doing with user agent profiling but go off I guess since you’re so sure

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[-] senorblackbean@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

Switched to Freetube/Invidious. Like the sun, I'm never looking directly at Youtube.com ever again.

[-] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

It might just be a coincidence but I've had a lot of trouble using Invidious or Piped lately too. Videos load and titles load, but video thumbnails don't load for me.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 15 points 11 months ago

I've had issues with Invidious and Piped literally every time I've tried to use them. Can't understand how people even use the public servers.

However I have disabled Piped proxy in LibreTube and been using that for a long while but for the last week or so it hasn't been working at all.

GrayJay is still working though.

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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Asahi Linux?

They named a distro after a beer brand?

[-] autokludge@programming.dev 68 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Asahi means “rising sun” in Japanese, and it is also the name of an apple cultivar. 旭りんご (asahi ringo) is what we know as the McIntosh Apple, the apple variety that gave the Mac its name.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago

... They named Macs after a beer brand?

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[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Lina asahi is steamer who reverse engineering apple m1 chip for Linux, so asahi linux was distro for apple m1 at first

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[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago

Joke is on them, i only ever use NewPipe (or freetube on desktop)

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[-] Sprokes@jlai.lu 21 points 11 months ago

I think they want everyone to use user agent switcher so that Firefox share will drop and then nobody will support it and will die.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 16 points 11 months ago

Easy: use a user agent switcher that uses blacklists. Mine only spoofs chrome for youtube.com.

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[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 15 points 11 months ago

Disgusting!

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