Remember, if Fascism wins it is YOUR FAULT. : memes

[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago

Biden sucks... but vote for him. I mean the two party system sucks, first passed the post sucks, gerrymandering sucks... but the republican party sucks even more. I'd rather have a dottering old liberal than an outright fascist, and at the same time the system won't be reformed because of an election cycle. People need to organise, get off their lazy butts. But since you ain't doing that, there's only one thing to do.

Vote Biden. Don't be dumb. It's like the only sane alternative, no matter how insane that sounds.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

People of Gaza are so lucky that it's the lesser of the two evils facilitating their genocide.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Yes, I honestly dread to think what Trump would have done.

Lessor of two evils sucks balls, but you can still minimise the damage at least.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Trump would've done the exact same thing. You're not minimizing any damage your regime is facilitating a literal genocide. The fact that you're keep trying to minimize this fact because it's your fascist in office shows how utterly morally bankrupt you are.

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

The immediate response to the war would probably have been the same, but another 4 years of Trump would have meant more time to inflame tensions in the region even worse with actions such as:

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem
Withdrawal from the Iran deal
Assassination of Iranian generals

Etc

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Biden has continued all the same policies and has also dragged the world into a proxy war against Russia while continuing to escalate tensions with China. Biden is a lunatic whose actions continue to bring the world closer to a world war.

[-] SylviaTheDragon 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty sure it was literally Russia who started that war.

Edit: Sorry, meant to say 'special operation'. This is how states operate now. It fucking sucks. It all fucking sucks. Everyone fucking suck. Throwing shit at each other is no way it's going to stop. People need to pull their heads out of their ass as point fingers at the people who actually put this shit together. The entire world economy is tired to oil and guns. As long as oil and guns reign supreme, so will war.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Even Ukrainians are now saying that it was the west that stopped negotiations last March https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms

Meanwhile, Stoltenberg finally admitted that the reason the war started was because of NATO expansion https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm#:~:text=The%20background%20was%20that%20President,condition%20for%20not%20invade%20Ukraine

Meanwhile, people who put this all together are the ones running the empire, and as long as Americans keep voting for the lesser evil nothing's going to change.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, Stoltenberg finally admitted that the reason the war started was because of NATO expansion

Your link does not support that. It literally states that Putin wanted to completely veto NATO expansion, which he has no right to do. In retaliation for not caving to his absurd demands, he declared war on Ukraine. All of this are actions by Putin and could only have been prevented by Putin. He started the war, nobody else.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Stopping NATO expansion would be an absurd demand if Russia did not have the power to stop do so by force which is what it's now doing. Russia gave NATO a choice of either stopping expansion to its borders, or resolving the situation by force. NATO chose to resolve the situation by force. The whole narrative that Putin started the war and nobody else is beyond infantile because it just ignores all the history and geopolitical context pretending as if this was some random event that happened out of the blue and for no logical reason.

NATO has maintained a policy of might makes right since the fall of USSR, it has invaded and razed numerous countries over the past few decades, and now it's run into a country that will no longer tolerate an aggressive military alliance on its borders.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

NATO chose to resolve the situation by force.

NATO did not fire a single shot during this war. Russia was the one who started all the shooting. Not to mention that Ukraine is a sovereign nation that gets to choose if it wishes to associate with NATO. Russia decided to use force to prevent Ukraine from doing that.

There is no history or geopolitical context here that justifies Putins invasion of Ukraine. To claim anything else is an endorsement of Putins flavour of fascism, where he is literally saying that Russian might makes right. It's insane how deluded you are to literally draw the opposite conclusion from facts that do not support your arguments at all.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The whole point of a proxy war is that you use somebody else to do the fighting for you. Meanwhile, Ukraine lost its sovereignty back in 2014 when a democratically elected government was overthrown in a western backed coup. Painting this as Ukraine freely choosing to associate with NATO is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

Meanwhile, bleating about justifications is just a distraction from the reality of why the war happened. Pretty hilarious of you to run around calling others deluded while spewing utter nonsense. One thing that's abundantly clear here is that you don't care one bit about the actual facts. You're an ideologue regurgitating propaganda you've memorized.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, Ukraine lost its sovereignty back in 2014 when a democratically elected government was overthrown in a western backed coup. Painting this as Ukraine freely choosing to associate with NATO is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

You are ignorant of the facts. The democratically elected Ukrainian parliament adopted a treaty for closer association with the EU, which Yanukovich tried to block. After sending snipers to fire at protestors against his deeply unpopular decision, the Ukrainian parliament voted by a large majority to remove Yanukovich from his post. There is no evidence of Western involvement here, and the only nation that spoke of a "coup" was Russia, as Putin lost his ally in Yanukovich. All of this happened through democratic votes, by a democratically elected governing body.

And one of the first things the interim government did? Hold new elections. How did Putin respond? By sending in troops and illegally occupying Crimea. And in Donetsk and Luhansk the pro-Russian separatists tried everything to disrupt the elections and deprive the Ukrainians there of their democratic right to vote.

Had Yanukovich decided not to send in snipers, the protests would have happened without bloodshed. Had Putin decided not to send in troops, there would not have been bloodshed. Every single time the decision to use violence was taken by Putin or one of his allies.

You're an ideologue regurgitating propaganda you've memorized

Rich coming from someone who only regurgitates Russian talking points verbatim.

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[-] Juno@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

You know, when Biden took office the capitol building had literally just been attacked by a violent mob who smeared shit on the walls. And we were still in covid-lockdowns, and gas was $4 a gallon, and Ukraine had just started getting attacked.

Idk why Biden gets so much shit, but given where he started, I think we are doing a damn fine job and our inflation numbers are much better than most of the rest of the world.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 9 points 1 year ago

If inflation is our metric, then Democrats have been in agreement with Republicans ever since the Nixon Shock.

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

Do you think that's any comfort to the Palestinians Biden is helping to genocide?

[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

What's that? Somebody thinks that a different president is going to stop the drones and bombings!? Like they're not tied up in deals?! Like if a third party candidate won the process would just magically stop?!?!

Bush made the bombs drop, Obama made the bombs drop, Trump made the bombs drop, Biden made the bombs drop... wtf do you think the next president will do? The CIA tells them what's what and that's it.

Vote Biden, or get a republican president. Your call.

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

I mean, that's a weird-ass AI prompt. But if fascism wins and you voted third party, yes - it's partly* your fault unless you're too stupid to understand how first past the post voting works.

*conditionals against massive fascist party majority states notwithstanding.

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago

Keep typing. You're making my point for me.

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

If your goal is to have a third option to vote for, the best way to help is to support independent candidates on the right as well. If the fascist vote is split (say between Trump and Liz Cheney) then a vote for (Cornell West for example) is less likely to be a vote for fascism.

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

Third party candidates will never be the answer. They exist only to dilute resistance. The answer is to raise awareness and outrage until it can't be ignored.

[-] Renevar 3 points 1 year ago

While I agree third party candidates are not really the solution, what exactly is rage and outrage that can't be ignored gonna do? How is that gonna change things? Do you think the lawmakers and people in power and gonna just gonna fix the system that put them in power just cause some people got mad? More importantly changing all that would take time, way more time than we have before the next election, so what do you recommend we are suppose to do right now?

Please be a bit more specific than "get mad", cause trust me, a lot of people have been mad for a long time, just getting mad doesn't fix anything

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Citizens of the US are really screwed, with a pseudo-democracy where they can only choose between conservatives or fascists, apart from practically half of the population who show that Descartes was wrong, because they exist but they don't think.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

The US has never been a country that's good or fair. It's only very slowly gotten a little better through the sweat and blood of good people.

If we want it to get better it's going to be a lot of difficult and painstaking work.

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

show that Descartes was wrong, because they exist but they don’t think.

"A therefore B" doesn't imply "B therefore A"

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Counterargument: If the democrats don't want to lose they should stop funding mass genocide.

[-] Rubanski@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

How can anyone think that Trump wouldn't support it. If anything, he would call the IDF a bunch of pussies for not bombing Gaza even harder.

[-] bobthened@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

That's not the point. People aren't saying that they'd rather have Trump in charge. The point is things will never get better if everyone keeps unquestioningly giving their votes to the Democrats regardless of how little the democrats represent their interests. The only real way most people have of making a political party change is by withholding their votes until that party changes in order to regain the votes.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Trump would denounce Israel, even as a lie, to win the White House.

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 4 points 1 year ago

Your options:

Genocide overseas & decent domestic policies
Genocide overseas & Genocide domestically

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[-] simple@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

...Memes?

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago

Propaganda is a form of meme.

[-] marxistsynths19@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Why would we continue doing the exact same thing that has been time and time again proven to be a cheap bandaid that never addresses the issues? Fuck that. We have to try different ways of making progress in this country or we’re fucked. We’re not really a democratic country anyway. None of our representatives actually fight and do what we ask of them. So why fall for it again?

[-] explodicle@local106.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bbbut we just need to buy time for [insert other thing that hasn't been working]!

[-] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

two things to consider

voting harder wont actually stop fascism, the nazis took power with 30% of the vote
not everyone gets a vote, myself included (not a citizen)

[-] Saganaki@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Eh, 30% in a parliamentary system is effectively the majority.

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago

This is so good, did you make it?

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago

I used Dall-E to generate the individual elements and put them together in Paint.NET. AI couldn't understand the prompts I was using well enough to generate what I wanted.

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 1 year ago

Lol cool. It reminds me of 2016 when I checked the Republican party website and on the Donate page the background was a picture of Trump. Then I checked the Democratic party website and on the Donate page the background was a picture of Trump but with a scary red hue.

[-] Titan@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Neo-liberal fascism or conservative fascism? 🤔

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

They're two faces of the same demon.

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