US refuses to block Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
US actively supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
I don't expect Joe Biden to act against his interests, but I also can't believe he thinks this is in his interest! Are there that many people in America who think this is the right thing to do? People danced when Henry Kissinger died, who fails to see the legacy of this?
Middle America. Specifically people in purple states. Biden is coming into an election that’s sounding like it’s going to be won by 5 votes or lost by a million. He’s trying to win support in swing states. Unfortunately those swing state voters tend to be union guys, who are more conservative. They like a blue collar guy, but they want him to have hardline stances on things. We’re hearing conflicting things from this administration for a reason. A veto on the UN makes headlines and sounds like the US is being supportive, but we’re also hearing about back room conversations where the administration is voicing their disapproval of the bombing and threatening to withhold funding. I imagine if this was before the war in Ukraine we would see a different reaction by the Biden Administration. Plus Israel gives us a launch point into middle eastern operations.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign? It’s not in their interest. The UAW is even calling for a ceasefire.
Also, the Biden administration can claim all day that they are in back room negotiations with Israel. However, those claims ring hollow when they’re simultaneously trying to pass bills in congress that unconditionally give Israel military aid. People see that and naturally lose faith in anything the administration says.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign?
Sadly because of the higher incidence of nationalism, racism, and Islamophobia among such folk which means they don't care enough or are outright in favor of turning brown people into skeletons
Have you ever talked with some of them? My whole damn family is full of this exact type of person. Do you not remember how many of those people were willing to bomb multiple countries for 20+ years just to hunt down Osama Bin Laden?
The Biden admin is joining Israeli aid with Ukrainian aid. They’re trying to get some on the right to pass aid for Israel so we can fund Ukraine.
Many blue collar, support who tells them what they want to hear. God (Jesus) is great, white people are best, and libs bad... Even though it's against their interests, that's conservative/Trump.
These are times when I'm ashamed to be an American.
I'm 70 years old. Of course it's not the first time. Cute meme though.
Nowadays I wonder if you guys have any times you aren't.
We always seem to be pro genocide
Genocide Joe is insatiable.
Trump would be 10x worse, or is that what you had in mind?
Both options would have been collosal twats about this. It's still valid to call the person currently being a twat about it a twat.
Sure, but someone repeating Trump’s insults is also a twat.
Did Trump actually say? That's funny considering he'd do the same. I have been saying it since the first US veto back in October, I even thought I came up with it. It is true and has a nice ring to it.
The real question is why is the US run by racist genocidal geriatrics from both parties? Fix your democracy before trying to export it to the Middle East.
We are all twats on this cursed day.
At least everyone in America is
What's 10x worse than a genocide?
10 genocides?
Genocidecimal.
10x genocide?
He would let the Palestinian people die and start wars with other countries to distract the rest of us
Biden is already not only letting thousands of Palestinians die but he is sending Israel the weapons to kill them with.
Also Biden is already dragging the US into further wars in my region. If Trump was going to start new wars he would have already done so. People forget that Biden played a role in Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Obama’s drone strikes on hospitals.
Ok, but Joe Biden didn't take out MBS, shakes hands with Dictator Xi, won't actually call for sanctions on countries with dictators and now supports a genocide against Palestinians. How is he any better?
Ah yes, I am sure Trump wouldn’t do the same thing as well 🙄
The US will always back Israel because the US sees military strategic value against the Middle East with Israel, namely Iran. It also helps that Israel exports a lot of medical equipment to the US as well, so financially we have a good relationship with them there as well.
"trump worse" doesn't mean that this isn't bad. The bar is so fucking low at this point, and even then Dems can't clear it.
The US will always support genocidal maniacs is not a valid argument, and neither is that Trump is as bad.
I genuinely can't understand why you are defending a genocide. This is bad for the US's international standing. It hurts the US-led coalition against Russia. Even if you don't care or humanize Palestinians, you should at least pretend to care about long term US interests at home and abroad.
"Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine" https://archive.ph/ctAhD
“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South . [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.
“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”
He's defending genocide because he's grasping at straws trying to pin everything on native peoples for not wanting to have their land stolen
Who said I was defending it? What did I say that would imply that?
My post is explaining why this would have happened regardless of who was in charge in response to the honestly stupid “gEnOcIdEr JoE” post. If you ask me, this shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, and I personally don’t advocate for war and/or genocide nor condone such barbaric actions because of the more harmful long-term consequences such things have on people from both sides of the conflict. We should have agreed to the ceasefire, and am disappointed we veto’d it.
If the current resident president was Trump, people would have called him Genocide Don and rightfully so. The most shameful thing any president could do is allow a genocide to happen when he has the full power to stop it.
I am glad you agree that the US vetoing the ceasefire multiple times is wrong and makes it complicit in the crimes, not to mention all the bombs and financial aid they are sending to Israel.
I love how libs immediately bleat about Trump when presented with the fact that it's their chosen savior doing a genocide. These people have no actual morals.
UN is the change.org of the real world. The idea is great but it only works on extremely rare cases. I know its purpose is to stop next world war but it should stop trying to seem like a platform for discussion as there is no discussion to be had when you give someone power to veto any resolution.
No one should have veto power, it makes any organization extremely undemocratic. And given the American arsenal, it's already difficult to be democratic.
Every civilian death in Gaza going forward is a direct consequence of US actions. US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
I also find it sad that the same Security Council didn't condemn the Oct. 7 raid. In all these diplomatic games, it appears civilians don't weight much, Palestinians or Israelis.
Resistance to occupation is legal and moral. Israelis are the aggressors.
Of course not. The occupied have a legal right to struggle against their occupiers “by all available means, including armed struggle”.
So that's why all the IDF stans are so anti un
No room for that on lemmy apparently. The majority here seems to only think Israel is evil and Hamas has done no wrong
Don't twist words to justify genocide and killing and crippling children. You're not killing Hamas. By IDF skewed and exaggerated numbers last week, they admit they "only killed 10000 civilians" and the rest was Hamas. The actual number and harm is more horrific and is terrorism 10 folds worse than what Hamas did on Oct-7 which condem yourself, but cheerish the acts that are 10 times worse?
Again, airstikes on refugee camps, schools, hospitals, places of worships, don't kill Hamas. The IDF are the most coward military who kill children with airstrikes instead of moving on the ground to reduce civilian causalities.
The UN with their permanent members are a disgrace. All they do is uphold imperialism and say please don't do that.
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