People ITT hating on null coalescing operators need to touch grass. Null coalescing and null conditional (string?.Trim()) are immensely useful and quite readable. One only has to be remotely conscious of edge cases where they can impair readability, which is true of every syntax feature
Languages with null in them at all anymore just irk me. It's 2023. Why are we still giving ourselves footguns.
Because I use a language that was invented more than 1 year ago
and it feeds me.
Because languages need to be able to handle the very common edge cases where data sources don't return complete data.
Adding null coalescing to a null-safe language (like dart) is so much easier to read and infer the risk of handling null than older languages that just panic the moment null is introduced unexpectedly.
And no one on his team ever understood his code.
Sometimes being declarative is better than being "smart"
The last panel is infinitely more readable than parsing the whole chunk of logic above. Maybe you're just not used to this language's (I think this meme used C#) null operators.
Yeah, I have very little programming experience, and even not knowing the code, I figured this one out. Super simplified and clear.
Sure, if the rest of the team is first semester CS students doing their first group project. This is not an obscure 1337 h4x0r trick only known to programming gods writing COBOL code inside banking mainframes, it's a simple operator.
Sure, but null coalescing is a pretty common feature in modern languages. Once you know what ?? means you can apply it to a whole host of languages.
I’m confused on how this is difficult to understand. Put aside the fact that it’s just a regular operator that… I mean virtually everyone should know, how hard is it to google “what does ?? mean in [language]” which has the added benefit of learning a new operator that can clean up your code?
This is why I favor 3. It's fairly concise while not being all that obscure. And even if you're not 100% on that syntax, context provides decent intuition about what it does.
My coworker flips his shit every time I include a ternary operator in a PR. He also insists on refactoring any block of code longer than two lines into its own function, even when it's only used once.
He is not well liked.
He also insists on refactoring any block of code longer than two lines into its own function
Thanks, uncle Bob.
His advice is great for newer programmers. They are taken literally by newer programmers, but the goal is not to force the dogma onto everyone. Maybe that should be more clear before the new people make a fool of themselves. They'll learn why or how to apply these rules once they get more experience.
I know the episode you're referring to and the important part is to realize you can use functions names/signatures to convey and structure information about your code, not just as a way to reuse code. This is often misunderstood by newer programmers, self-taught programmers. Your code should be easy to understand so it's up to us to make it well structured. Functions aren't only to avoid duplicate code
Sounds delightful. I'm sure that nothing is explained at length repeatedly in a 35 minute meeting that could have been a message
Ruby:
a || b
(no return as last line is returned implicitly, no semicolon)
EDIT: As pointed out in the comments, this is not strictly equivalent, as it will return b if a is false as well as if it's nil (these are the only two falsy values in Ruby).
Python:
return a or b
i like it because it reads like a sentence so it somewhat makes sense
and you can make it more comprehensive if you want to:
return a if a is not None else b
This diverges from the OP code snippets if a has the value False.
I enjoy this:
return a.or(b);
But yeah, that requires an Option type rather than null pointers...
There's a nice list of this feature by language on the Wikipedia page for anyone interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_coalescing_operator#Examples_by_languages
This was my first time actually seeing a Rust example, and I hate it.
Other languages: if a is null return b.
Rust: here is an array of strings, we are going to parse the array to numbers. If that conversion fails we handle the exception and return the minimum integer value. We then save the result in a new vector. We also print it.
I like rust, but I hate the example too. It's needlessly complex. Should have just been a.unwrap_or(b).
For the love of god, please do not use single-line alternatives to braced scopes. It's only tolerable in lambdas like Array.map( v => v**2 ). It's not for an implicit scope. It's for evaluating a return value.
But holy shit is it nice to have ?. in Javascript. It's such an anything-goes language until you look at it funny and it just shits the bed and silently dies. Hate hate haaate having to check if things exist, when so many other details fail politely and impact nothing. At least now it's one extra character instead of try-catch rigmarole.
Loads of beginners in this thread. Here's how it's done in the industry.
The code:
return a;
The test:
a = rand()%100+1;
It works, boss.
I hate this so much. Literally stopped using Perl and switched to PHP to get away from the "Look, ma! I can condense 6 comprehensible lines to one complete gibberish line that still works!" crowd.
I'm not saying I won't use shorthand if/else format on very rare occasions where you have to do a bunch of different if else's within your HTML for some reason, but in general, I try to avoid it.
I’m learning swift and I actually just discovered ?? today. Am I missing out in other languages?
C# and Kotlin both have it
Yes, it's very useful when applied correctly.
I'm always disappointed when I remember, that I can't use such a feature, because I'm stuck using Java.
PHP too
Nullish coalescing makes a lot of stuff much easier to read and write.
Python, checking in ...
return (a or b)
Parentheses aren't necessary, I just prefer them for readability.
See python documentation on boolean operators for reference. Short story is a or b is an expression that evaluates to a if a is "truthy" else b. "Falsy" is empty strings/containers, 0 and None.
You need to be careful here though. You might not intend for 0 and None to mean the same thing.
Yea uh is this actually equivalent? In all of those other cases you're checking if a is null and in the last case my understanding is it is checking to see if a is falsely. In the case that a is 0, or undefined, or an empty array or any other kind of non null falsey value, then the behavior would be different.
In C# that last one is the null propagation operator. If a is not null then a, else b.
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