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I see no use for the numlock key, I'd rather just have the numpad on the whole time. Are there actually cases where it is useful or people who for some reason prefer their numpad turned off?

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[-] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't used numlock in years but I remember that for certain games that you played with the arrow keys, I preferred to use the arrows on the numpad instead of the dedicated ones.

And according to Wikipedia, the reason why numlock exists in the first place is the fact that certain keyboards didn't have dedicated arrow keys, but did have a numpad. I guess numlock on full-sized keyboards is just a relic that keyboard manufacturers are schlepping around because it's cheap enough to produce and doesn't really hurt 🤷

[-] Bill@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

You can still get some mechanical keyboards with numpads but not arrow keys, though since these are variations on compact layouts they tend to omit the numlock key as well.

[-] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Interesting. Most compact keyboards I've seen save space by removing the numpad, not the arrow keys. I assume you can emulate arrow keys by pressing some modifier key on those?

[-] Bill@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly that. Royal Kludge makes one.

I think it's a good layout. I have a tenkeyless at home and for some tasks I definitely miss the number pad more than I'd miss the arrow keys, especially since the number pad by design doubles as arrow keys and always has. I've seen even smaller keyboards that have numpads but not the number row, which would also be sweet. Reclaim some vertical deskspace as well as horizontal.

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

I can be useful. If NumLock is turned off you can use 2, 4, 6, and 8 as arrow keys for example. Although with most modern programs you can easily rebind keys so it's more a thing of the past, like the "Pause" button.

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

A thing of the past? Pause is used a lot to pause games.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I have never seen pause used that way for modern games. Most of them just use Escape instead, with pause being left for lower-system things like the REISUB sequence.

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Don't know what to tell you, for me it often works. Maybe give it a try? Esc usually brings you to the menu, which implies pausing, but it's separate from pause key.

[-] DrQuint@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

"A lot"?

Man, I've used F9 as a pause key more often than Pause.

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I am an avid gamer and have never used that button to pause a game. Escape is the go to for that, no?

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I have a smaller keyboard that doesn't have dedicated arrow keys, or any of the home, page up, etc. They're all on the numpad, so numlock for me is very useful.

[-] RHOPKINS13@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

There's an old game I grew up with called Castle of the Winds. You could also move using some other keys or the mouse, but for me my favorite way by far was using the numpad with numlock turned off.

I also used to use the numpad while playing Half-Life, as the person who introduced me to that game swore by remapping all the keys to the numpad.

[-] jrs100000@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Old games are pretty much the only use Ive ever seen. The keypad can be used as arrow keys, but with diagonal options and the ability to easily switch over to numbers. Nethack, for instance, is extra challenging without a proper numberpad.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

vi keys for life

[-] TheWiz@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Damn I loved Castle of the Winds. Was actually just thinking about frying to see it I could play it again recently for a nice nostalgia kick.

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a relic of the past. Old keyboards didn't have dedicated arrow keys and since many programs were only controlled by arrow keys rather than a mouse, having a num lock key was a good solution to the problem. But if you are still stuck in an environment where you have to navigate a lot with arrow keys, the num lock still comes in handy. Having Pg Up and Down and the Home/End keys nearby is super handy in this situation.

It's still useful for some old video games, especially for multiplayer where both play at the same time.

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I have literally removed the NumLock keycap from all of my keyboards to make sure I don't accidentally turn it off. Never missed it.

I have also removed the F1 keycap. Never use it.

[-] ThisIsNecessary@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Lol I also remove the Num Lock key! I find myself accidentally pressing it too much and I just never want to use that function anyway.

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[-] supermurs@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I can't even remember when I would've needed the arrow keys on the numpad.

My keyboard has also SysRq, Scroll lock and Pause/Break keys on top of the numpad, never needed any of them.

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 7 points 1 year ago

It's useful if you enable Mouse Keys mode. Which is useful if you find yourself without a working mouse for one reason or another.

[-] justanotherjo@kbin.cafe 7 points 1 year ago

no use whatsoever. this is an artifact from the days when the arrows, etc. did not exist as separate keys.

[-] emzzy@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I only find it useful on laptop keyboards. I like the numpad for entering numbers, and I also like having dedicated keys for stuff like Home, End, and Insert when browsing or editing. It saves space when you can double the numpad for both.

[-] jem0@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, there are arrows on the numeric keyboard which can be used for various reasons, also home and end buttons.

[-] wjrii@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For a full size, 104-key PC keyboard, everything that is mapped to the numpad is also somewhere else, and the keys are spaced out enough that you'd almost never need to turn off the numpad, so the key is just there for oddball legacy apps that do weird stuff. It was more important before IBM released the fully "modern" 101-key Model M.

For laptop keyboards and other reduced format keyboards that still include all or part of a numpad, it can still be useful. I actually use autohotkeys instead, but one of my budget mechanical keyboards only has the arrow nav keys and the rest are accessed by turning off NumLock.

[-] kuneho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I actually have a collegaue who uses the numeric keys as arrows and shit, he uses the NumLock pretty regularly.

He is the only one I actually know who does that, tho.

[-] Andi@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

An easy indicator to see if a computer is on / wake it up / see if the keyboard is connected / see if a PC has crashed.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the settings on the computer.

I've seen some with USB ports powered when shut off, leave the numlock key lit.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 6 points 1 year ago

I think the numlock key is a hangover from the IBM XT computers (maybe even before that). Those keyboards didn't have the cursor keys and other key block. So, the numlock key was quite important.

I know, because I got my first PC during the PC AT days right before they moved toward ATX. That was a full size keyboard.

I am surprised it has stuck around so long. I understand in the transition from XT to AT that perhaps computer operators got used to using the numpad for navigation and muscle memory would be ruined. But, you know it's like 40 years on now. There isn't really a modern day reason to keep it.

But, happy to be proven wrong.

[-] daleus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

think of it more like a switch that makes that part of your keyboard multi-use.

You can buy keyboards that cut off that entire section if you don't use it.

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[-] Casey_Masterpiece@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

How am I going to make an auto clicker then? With 5 and + held at the same time it keeps clicking really fast.

[-] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 2 points 1 year ago

Mouse keys iirc

[-] Untitled_Pribor@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Yes. On my keyboard there's no separate "end" key, it's part of 3 on the numpad, that key is very useful when using the terminal, because you don't need to wait for 5 years for the cursor to make it to the end of your command.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Ctrl-e in bash is move cursor to end. Ctrl-a is like home.

[-] lando55@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago

emacs?! set -o vi unless you just want to see the world burn

(I'm kidding, I use the emacs shortcuts in bash, but vim is my goto text editor)

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm the same. Emacs shortcuts make a lot of sense for readline programs.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Reassign it to the NumLock key.

[-] Untitled_Pribor@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I'm too lazy to figure out how to do that

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

If you have keyboard software, you might be able to use that. I use autohotkey for reassigning keys. The script would be:

SetNumLockState, AlwaysOn
NumLock::End

For windows,
Just put it in a txt file after installing AHK and use .ahk at the end of the file name. There's a way to make it the default script, but I think but I use just task scheduler to make it start on boot/login.

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[-] ryo@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago

Never used it, really inconvenient. Stays off here and now you gave me an idea to rebind to something useful.

[-] Iunnrais@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

If you need to type numbers really fast, of course there’s no beating numlock. 10 key for the win. Of course that doesn’t get at why not just leave it as 10 key forever and skip the arrows. I know a lot of older programs… like msdos older…required the use of the arrow keys. And some people do prefer it for their cursor, and it doesn’t hurt to provide the option.

[-] CoffeeDev@lemmy.studio 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it is still is useful, as some software still hasn't figured out how to turn on numlock automatically, and for a few applications number pad scrolling can be better than the arrow keys, but it is probably less useful than the scroll lock key at this point.

[-] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t think I’ve ever used numlock for anything other than “oh shit, I must have accidentally hit it when I was entering numbers via 10 key so I need to turn it off.

[-] literallyacat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

10-key. Pretty useful for my job as a bookkeeper.

[-] spongebue@vlemmy.net 4 points 1 year ago

Right, but do you ever turn num lock off? I think the OP was trying to say it should just be stuck on because why would you use those arrow, home/end/pg up/etc buttons that kick in if num lock is off?

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

You can use ahk to force NumLock btw

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