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submitted 11 months ago by spez@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

My main browser is Librewolf but I keep a chromium browser just in case. Previously used brave but their flatpak is shit. Ungoogled chromium seems ok but it looks like they don't change much from upstream chromium. Any good chromium browsers which harden their browsers like librewolf does for more privacy?

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 52 points 11 months ago

I would stick to librewolf. Supporting Chromium is not good for freedom.

Anyway, ungoogled chromium is probably the best answer. There also is Cromite which supports android and windows

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[-] wincing_nucleus073@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Cromite is the closest thing i can think of to Librewolf. Tons of hardening. but i dont think he ships a Linux version. just android and windows.

[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've been using Thorium recently with no issues. Before I was using Vivaldi.

Edit, Firefox is my main browser. Thorium is used as an alt for the 2 websites that don't work in Firefox.

Edit 2; seems the developer of Thorium has made some err questionable choices. Not with the browser itself, but a mild furry nsfw easter egg, and a link to some site talking about their beliefs against a common medical procedure performed on baby boys. I have not seen either for myself as they have both been removed as the browser gained a sudden spike in popularity.

[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Thorium would be good but it probably has too few contributors

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[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago
[-] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 2 points 11 months ago

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https://www.piped.video/watch?v=tR-dhc_SWBk

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[-] iloverocks@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago

I'm currently using thorium as an appimage and it is god enough. But to be honest if you want privacy use Firefox or a fork of it.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago
  • not sandboxed
  • no repo, no updates, always the risk of malware
  • not hardened
  • outdated version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-dhc_SWBk

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[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Thanks to everyone for replying! I have decided to stick with brave for now since after an update to the flatpak the thing's font is back to readable again.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I use Vivaldi, I don't know a better Chromium for privacy nor because other features (made in the EU by a employee-owned cooperative, no extern investors, gutted Chromium base (no phones to Google), no tracking, no logging, inbuild ad- and trackerblocker with customizables filterlists, encrypted sync, feed reader, mail client, calendar, reader list, reader view, splitscreen, full customizable UI, command chains, etc......). Apart with your account an own blogging platform, mail service, included an Mastodon account in the Vivaldis own instance, which you can use with your account. https://vivaldi.com

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Vivaldi is not private. A good browser? It surely is. But it's not private.

It's also proprietary software, which is unacceptable. And yeah, don't repeat to me their marketing techniques. Yes, they release some partial source code. In practice, that's the same as releasing nothing. Just a marketing trick.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago
[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

didn't you read my comment? That whole post is marketing excuses for not being free software.

Try compiling the "source code" they release and tell me if you get a usable version of Vivaldi.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Where do they say it?

[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but it is closed sourced.

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[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I use hardened Chrome with a lot of flags/features disabled and some privacy extensions. It's good enough for me.

[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago
[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

What's so funny?

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Chrome or Chromium? Because that "hardening" is only the switches they allow you to use, so if its full of proprietary tracking software it is not hardened at all

[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Chrome. I know that might be hard to believe but the switches work. You can absolutely stop Google from prefetching their usual services. Plus I don't login with a Google account on the browser, that makes a huge difference.

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[-] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Thorium is good for privacy and speed but not security, Vivaldi isn’t that private, ungoogled chromium removes everything google. Brave also has packages available for manual installation if you want to give it another try

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

How is Thorium privacy optimized?

Its version is outdated and it has no focus on Privacy. Also important to see if privacy from Google or from the actual sites you visit i.e. fingerprint prevention.

Brave is better here

[-] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

The repo shows all the patches. It uses some patches from ungoogled chromium for privacy. It isn’t my recommendation here, I just mentioned it because Brave didn’t work for OP

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

OP mentioned that the Flatpak is shit, and Browser Flatpaks are not as secure too. Thanks for the Link!

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Why bother with such micro optimisations when the purpose is to be used extremely infrequently for compatibility reasons?

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Por que no los dos?

[-] astramist@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago
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[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ironically for Browser you shouldnt use Flatpaks if you trust the browser and you care about security.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html

What Distro are you on? I use Firefox and Brave, both as RPM now. I actually switched for convenience (keepassxc extension works, plasma extension works etc) but they are actually more secure.

Native Chromium is poorly way more secure than Firefox. When using the Browsers through Flatpak you need to remove the sandbox, so process isolation and memory stuff is gone, and replace the specific sandbox with bubblewrap.

Bubblewrap is good, but doesnt support isolated Tabs.

There are CSS exploits, but to my understanding just using Noscript in "block all by default" mode is best for security AND privacy.

I would like to like Brave, as it is more secure, but it sucks a lot. Very bloated, tab management worse, missing extensions, damn Chromium webstore and the addon not working so no updates. It is not bad, and I want to write a hardening config soon, to remove and disable all that bloat permanently.

I would not recommend Librewolf if you are advanced. For one it is a Flatpak, ironically (didnt know this a few weeks ago too) less secure. Also it lacks behind in updates a bit, not much, but this may become a problem.

https://github.com/trytomakeyouprivate/Arkenfox-softening

I am working on this tool, should work, that keeps your Arkenfox config up to date and sets a few switches to soften it. So you add that to Firefox and dont need Librewolf anymore.

On Fedora all you need is libavcodec-freworld from rpmfusion to get everything working. But ublue.it images work best out of the box.

Edit

Why are you downvoting this? Doesnt it fit your opinion? I also dont like Chromium, but its more secure. I also didnt know that Flatpak browsers are less secure, but thats a fact.

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