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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago

All Abrahamic religions are very conservative. Hardcore Muslims share more values with hardcore Christians than with progressive liberals.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Problem is the xenophobia.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

That's another value they share.

[-] Whattrees 12 points 9 months ago

Sure, but most Muslims in America are not hardcore. The average Muslim American is significantly more liberal than the average white person.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

Idk about that one champ

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Who are they going to vote for in what is effectively a two-party system, the Republicans with a sizeable group of Christo-fascists?

They'll get even worse than ignored, they'll be targeted.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago
[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 40 points 9 months ago

3rd party has always been a guise to pull votes from Democratic candidates.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

Works both ways. Trump, if he's not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.

There is no better year to get ranked voting than going 3rd party while both primaries split their votes.

The MIC needs you to think it's impossible or a waste of energy.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Short of God himself striking down Trump with a lightning bolt, he will be the nominee.

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

Works both ways. Trump, if he's not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.

It does not work like this.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

Do you genuinely think Trump loses primaries and just bows out and doesn't go 3rd party?.. I don't understand your take.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Giant asteroid 2024

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Ever wonder why Steve Bannon is working so hard to recruit 3rd party candidates?

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

Tell me you don't understand math & game theory without telling me you don't understand math & game theory.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

And that's how you effectively voted for whichever of the 2 parties you hate least.

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[-] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago

Can't happen until you change the legislatures to 5 member proportional districts and the single-seat offices to something like approval voting (or any other voting system where it's safe to give your favorite maximum support).

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

What should Democrats be doing for black voters that they aren't?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

reparations for slavery, strengthening the right to vote and making it easier to access polls, outlawing the death penalty, abolishing prisons, removing the clause in the 13th amendment that allows for legal slavery, abolishing the police or at the very least force them to have oversight, banning AI for use in law enforcement, etc.

[-] Grebes@sh.itjust.works 52 points 9 months ago

Reparations seems like a nonstarter but the rest of these are happening, to various degrees, at the state level in blue states

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I think reparations are possible, we have to organize and do more than just voting to make it happen though.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I imagine the hardest part would be determining who was harmed by slavery given that not everyone has records of it. I think it would be nice to do to put that shameful chapter of history behind us. Whatever dollar amount we come up with probably wouldn't be sufficient for the generational wealth destroyed, but it would be an attempt at doing better and very symbolic.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't think reparations would work as direct cash payments, I think they would work best as investments into black communities. Your reasoning is exactly why I support reparations though. We cannot fix the harm, but we can try to make it right.

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[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

An example of what you discuss shows in the reparations to the Seminole tribe. Many freed slaves or escaped slaves never signed documentation (like a census for the tribe) as they were more worried about getting found/cheated etc. Last I knew there were court cases still open or closed in the past couple decades pertaining to such.

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[-] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

If you really want to fuel the GOP, pass some reparations that cross generational lines. They will immediately point out how some recipients are squandering the money. Resentment will build. It will ignite latent racism. And then the Indigenous Peoples will want the same deal, and the Chinese, and then everyone who had a female ancestor treated as an inferior human will want their cut! You make one minority segment happy while sowing discontent among the rest. Reparations that are not directly related to the wrongs done to an individual are a slippery slope. There are better ways to deal with the inequities of the past.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I have an ancestors who was owed money from the king of England for a loan made in the 1700s. The bank handling the account said that the money had to be evenly divided among the descends. What started out as a literal kings ransom got down to under $10 when divided evenly.

The original slavey reparations was an acre of land and a mule. Divided equally, even assuming multiple slave ancestors, would be a few square feet and just enough mule hair to make brush. Reparations done on the scale of harm done equally divided would be insulting. Making things better for everyone is a much easier sell.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the thorough list, that all seems like good stuff to me except I'd prefer reforming prisons and making them like the Nordic model instead of abolishing them.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

Reparations: what’s your suggested plan for this?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I'm not a legislator. In general, I think they would look like substantial investments into black communities, rather than direct cash payments.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

That sounds pretty reasonable.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Muslim Americans are going to be so shocked when Trump strips their citizenship & expels them from the country of their birth.

It can happen here.

[-] heckypecky@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 9 months ago

You guys seriously need to start talking about getting rid of your two party system

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

The #GOP is outlawing other methods of voting, so good fucking luck with that if you're going to support Trump by staying at home.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 17 points 9 months ago

Their choice remains: getting beaten up, deported or killed or just getting their issues ignored

[-] griefreeze@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Can someone please identify a few "Muslim issues" that are ignored by Democrats? I can't seem to think of any political issues that could be considered "Muslim"

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Yes.

Removing the Muslim ban (Biden delivered on this)

Civil Liberties for Muslim Americans (he won’t meet with Muslim rights groups like CAIR)

Prosecuting hate crimes against Muslims and mosques. (Biden only announced this month that he will get some experts together and make a new policy TBD. Not sure why he waited 3 years to announce he will start to deliver on a campaign promise…)

Evenhanded Israel-Palestine policy (he badly failed at this)

Support democracy in Middle East and Muslim majority countries (he’s failed at this)

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

Not American

In Canada Muslims vote Conservative

Recently a Liberal visited a Mosque and covered her hair/dressed up for it

They booed her and told her that Muslims will never vote for a pro-gay candidate

We had a nationwide march against gays/trans called the one million march for children, Christian and Muslim leaders joined together to organize it

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

It occurred to me after I posted this that depicting "black voters" in a meme with a noose might be insensitive. What do you guys think? Did I do a racism?

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Being hung isn’t exclusive to black people. I think you’ll be fine.

[-] TonyHawksPoTater@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

Though I've heard their dicks are larger than most.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 7 points 9 months ago

Hold my dick, I'm goin in!

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

given that it's a very widespread meme format used exactly the way this meme presents itself, any meaning along those lines are incidental and not intended. Personally I give it a pass, though it's possible there are people that don't think the same and find it offensive

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