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[-] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 70 points 1 year ago

We need more good suicidal guys with guns to stop bad suicidal guys with guns.

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Checking in sir! /S

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I got downvoted real bad when I pointed this out to someone who said "making guns illegal just takes them away from people who need to defend themselves."

The defense excuse of gun ownership is a myth. It causes way more harm than good.

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

That aside: the easier it is for good guys to get a gun, the easier it is for bad guys too.

And: where does that idea of a good guy stopping a bad guy come from even? If the bad guy is the better shoot, he still wins the fight. If he catches the good guy by surprise (which is likely given that bad acts are an action and not a reaction), he also has the upper hand.

So more guns solves exactly nothing, it only increases risks everywhere.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

It comes from the NRA. It was a slogan. Propaganda.

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[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That makes sense because of mishandling, mismanagement, and.. Wanting to die sometimes...

Most flight incidents happen on departure and arrival so of course most gun mishaps happen at home.

Guess what I'm saying is it all makes sense one way or the other.

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[-] Blackout@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago

Legalize doctor assisted suicide. Let people end their lives with dignity.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah but I'm not so sure we should be allowing people to make that choice on a whim because they're depressed or feeling down at the time. Humans are wildly impulsive sometimes.

[-] Blackout@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

They're not drive thru places. Typically you have to go thru counseling and thru evaluations to make sure it's what you want. But right now people are just buying guns to blow their heads off and leaving their body for first responders or their family to find. People are always going to kill themselves, you might as well make it a clean and dignified end.

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[-] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Bruh I'd vote for this

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who would use it when they have pro-gun assisted suicide?

For doctor-assisted suicide, you need to be over 18 anywhere it's available.

But for pro-gun suicide, children only need a "responsible gun owner" in the house with a poorly secured firearm, thanks to their staunch opposition of safe storage laws and need to be 3 second from a gun at all times.

For doctor-assisted suicide, you generally need to be terminally ill first and undergo a psychological evaluation to ensure you're mentally capable of making an informed decision.

But for pro-gun suicide, you can kill yourself without even the most token effort to cure your mental health problems, thanks to their staunch opposition to red flag laws. Their only requirement is "not a felon" and they even ensure you can get around it with a private sale loophole.

For doctor-assisted suicide, you usually need the approval of two doctors, both of which have years of medical school to pay off and neither of which your sleazy insurance company will want to pay for.

But for pro-gun suicide, a cheap handgun can be yours for under $200, because that's what someones life is worth to them.

For doctor-assisted suicide, you will usually have a minimum waiting period between your first and second requests, to ensure you're not making an impulsive decision.

But for pro-gun suicide, you can do it on a whim. Even if you haven't surrounded yourself with super cool guns already, the waiting period is typically only a few days and if you're lucky enough to live in a pro-gun state, there might be no minimum waiting period at all.

For doctor-assisted suicide, the medication is very deliberately dispensed to ensure there is no danger to anybody else.

But for pro-gun suicide, take all the people you want with you when you go. Family members, a room full of terrified children, a bunch of minorities some Discord channel insisted were the reason your life sucks -- the pro-gun community don't even pretend to care, let alone do something about it.

Ultimately, doctors just can't compete with the cheap, accessible, fast and poorly considered suicides offered by American gun laws. Why else do you think they've skyrocketed?

Because it's definitely not because terminally ill people are deciding to end their life without the dignity of keeping their brains inside their skull -- an idea that is so thoroughly stupid that I'm having a hard time believing your intention is anything more than simply making the statistics around firearms look better.

[-] m13@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Late stage capitalism is alienating. Many people are faced with the reality that there’s little point to live when your only purpose is to be a wage slave for billionaires. There are no prospects of owning a home or being comfortable ever unless you’re born into wealth or willing to exploit others and put them into bad situations just so you can have a bit of comfort.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 16 points 1 year ago

No, othering people is alienating. And this is by no means a partisan issue because almost everybody does it.

Democrats: "it's the Republicans' fault, they're evil"
Republicans: "it's the Democrats' fault, they're evil"
Communists: "it's rich people's fault, they're evil"
Capitalists: "it's poor people's fault, they're lazy"
Women: "it's men's fault, they're evil"
Men: "it's women's fault, they're evil"

The more you keep blaming other people for everything that's wrong with the world, the more you end up isolating yourself and retreating into your own bubble. You might think things would be better if you only spend with people who think like you and who validate your complaints and feelings, but in fact, that only serves to increase your alienation because it increases the gap between you and those "others".

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

message of blaming other groups as problematic.

Blames other people.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's been about a quarter century since I've spent meaningful time with a billionaire, and I'd wager that few here have been that close. What does alienating ourselves from the world's ~2,700 billionaires ,who already lock the world out and work to escape to other planets by explaining out why they're the problem cost us, exactly?

Remember folks, don't criticise Nazis - you'll alienate yourself from them, and that's bad.

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[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

And if you get behind, there's the stigma among conservatives about getting a helping hand. Bootstraps and all that, it's sad.

[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 39 points 1 year ago

"Means Matter"

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/

Reducing access to more lethal means of suicide reduces deaths by suicide in a population. The data on this is unequivocal.

That's because the majority of suicidal crises are spontaneous and of absurdly short duration, on the order of around 20 minutes. If you interrupt the process between decision and action, people survive. And 90% of people who survive a suicide attempt never go on to die by suicide at any future point in their lives.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

A lot of people talking about means seem to be side stepping the fact that life is getting harder and that's probably why suicides are going up.

The means do matter, but the means aren't driving the wave we've seen this decade. Most suicides are finances and loneliness related. And even if someone does survive an attempt using another mean, the "help" is usually involuntary institutionalization which will make your life even worse. Even getting a driver's license is harder after that.

Not to discredit the means, I just think we need to take a hard look at everything surrounding said means. Society needs to fail someone 1,000 times before they pick up the final societal failure.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Social media is pretty poisonous for people, and has led to some extreme levels of alienation between people caught up in it and their close friends and family (which is the historical support network).

So people who see the world more like the strangers they have no practical connection with and obsess over the ways in which they see the world differently from those they actually have connections with leads to a very dark place.

There's a number of different factors going on, but I remember seeing private market research around two years ago at the striking divide even within households and realizing we were headed towards serious problems.

Everything is extremist, categorized by binary teams, and outrage driven.

That's not a recipe for a healthy social life, and not having a healthy social life or feeling apart from those in one's life can be devastating on mental health.

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

Those people just need a Good Guy With a Gun to kill them before they killed themselfs!

[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

There's less and less reason to be alive. What the fuck is there to live for?

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about?! There’s so much more profit you can generate for the shareholders!!

[-] Farticles@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

But if you end it all now, think of all the debt you’re missing out on!!

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[-] Dizzirron@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Prioritize your health y'all, these are no doubt strange times.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I mean, at this point the only thing not increasing in price bullets, so I get it.

[-] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Lift Your Head Up High (And Blow Your Brains Out).

[-] diybone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You don't hear a good bloodhound gang reference often.

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

Unprecedented... so far.

[-] schwim@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Well, it is an efficient manner.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm happy for them. They had the balls to finally rest in peace unlike me.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Please surround yourself with enjoyable things.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

If only there were some way to predict these sorts of outcomes….

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