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[-] Baohwong@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Foe those that don't know. Wherever you create an account, all the information stays on that particular instance. E.G. Lemmyworld lemmy.ml.

To reduce the load on a instance, users should create accounts on other instances that is geographically close to you and have plenty of server resources. This would lead to a smoother and faster user experience.

You will still be able to comment and interact with users and post on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml even if you created your account elsewhere. (Unless the instance your account is created on gets defederated).

[-] Micromot@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I was wondering if votes are also federated. Do you know?

[-] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 12 points 1 year ago

They definitely are.

I only have two users on my instance, but there are posts with thousands of upvotes.

[-] Hikiru@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Subscriber counts aren’t though, which is something that should be addressed

[-] Nowyn@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

If I am not entirely mistaken there was an issue between kbin and lemmy at some point in the recent past but not sure if it is still a problem.

[-] parrot@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

A new user wouldnt know this is the dilemma

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

I second this. I have my first account henfredemars@lemmy.world, but I created this account on a much smaller instance for much better performance and to help ease up the load on the big servers. So far, it feels much snappier.

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

That's what I did! Don't get too attached to your data, though, since a smaller instance means more risk of data loss.

[-] lauric@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, defederation is a constant theme. And sooner or later, the shit will hit the fan and no instance will communicate with other instances, claiming that everyone else holds the wrong ideas and has the wrong values.

I already heard about Lemmy.world, Beehaw and Lemmy.ml, threatening with defederation, if the other instance does not defederate from instances they themselves do not like.

Instances are doomed to become isolated echo chambers.

[-] EatALime@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Beehaw markets themselves as a heavily moderated space and they caught a lot of flack for defederating from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, but even they are still federated with a bunch of different instances. There will probably be a pool of instances that share a fairly hands-off approach and remain connected to all the other instances that have a "we'll federate with anyone" policy. There will likely be a collection of middle-ground instances who defederate with instances that are the source a lot of harassment or certain NSFW material but otherwise don't restrict much and still federate with instances that maintain similar moderation styles. At the far end you end up with places like Gab and Truth Social which are both Mastodon instances that aren't federated at all and are completely closed communities because they only ever wanted to be an echo chamber. The rest of the fediverse or even just Mastodon didn't cease to exist when Truth Social started up its own walled off instance.

People can self select into the kinds of communities they like. The unrestricted ones will only fail if the lack of moderation is such a problem that nobody signs up to any of them.

[-] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

That's just a slippery slope fallacy. While some instances can be more or less defederation-happy, doing it to some instances does not mean every instance who resorts to defederation will eventually exclude all other instances. Many simply want to cut off hate speech and extreme violent content, and not everyone is interested in having sexual content, especially depending on what sort of stuff it is.

It's alarmism over something that would be normal in most other platforms, which just ban users and groups who post content that goes against the rules of conduct, something that happened even on the tiny niche forums and chatrooms of the past. But rather than being entirely excluded you get to stay in communities that fit your limits. The interaction of instances that are federated will ensure that the Lemmy ecosystem will be less of an echo chamber than reddit itself was.

[-] henfredemars@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think that the problem you describe is self-limiting because users can easily make accounts to get around an instance that limits the content users can view or just add an account for a more permissive instance. However, consider the following: humans tend to fixate on loss, and users aren't tied down to using any particular instance or even just one, so they don't have to compromise. You don't lose anything by adding another account on another instance to your client. There are already clients that let you pull from multiple instances automatically.

Defederation that hurts users, by the judgment of those users, on a platform where it's easy for your users to just join any other competing instances on a whim, tends to select against instances that defederate excessively. That is my hope.

[-] flare@lemmy.kya.moe 27 points 1 year ago

People really need to stop dogpiling on the most popular instances and instead spread themselves out.

[-] MadKing@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think me and others from reddit included have no idea how this works and signed up to the one we were first introduced to.

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Can I ask how you were "introduced" to .world? Just been wondering why that's the one everyone is moving to atm.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's literally in the goodbye message on RIF. That's how we got here.

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh lord, ok now things make a lot more sense 🤦‍♀️

[-] LeHappStick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I found .ml over a year ago when I still used reddit. This past week I heard of the reddit controversy and I was curious about alternatives so I went for .ml but then in the sign up page they recommended to sign up on .world... so I did because I like the word.

Then I found out there is a lemmy instance of my country, now I'm considering an account there.

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ah I didn't realise ml were literally directing people here. That's...not great! Thanks for the info.

[-] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 5 points 1 year ago

Decentralization is strength on the fediverse.

It also means that small communities of like-minded people can be on instances that are run exactly the way that they want. Maybe some people want to block half the fediverse. Maybe other people want to be wide open. Maybe some people want the communities on their instance to be tightly moderated. Maybe other people prefer having all the posts even the trash posts and let the chips fall where they may.

Unlike with a single Giant instance, everyone can get exactly what they want if we are decentralized.

[-] Relected@lemmy.kya.moe 1 points 1 year ago

thats why im here! Hullo :3

[-] flare@lemmy.kya.moe 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Zapp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

IT lead here; this is exactly how to get servers to work.

[-] G1ZMO_DRAG0N@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

IT director here. I just take the time out to drive them.

[-] nouman@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

"Problem voting, please try again" , yes I will

[-] Thief@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 1 year ago

If anyone wants to help spread the load I would appreciate people helping me with my instance that is small still and needs testing and help to grow. Its https://lemmy.myserv.one - will be updated to 0.18.1 when it releases soon.

[-] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even to admins like me who only host an instance for themselves and don't allow other people on it?

[-] Nerd02@forum.basedcount.com 16 points 1 year ago

Well at least you didn't make an account on lemmy.world and are instead enjoying the beauty of federation. Yeah, you get a pass.

[-] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Yes! Even you!

[-] Roundcat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Holy shit, we have a celebrity here!

Just want to say, big fan of beehaw.

[-] CrypticVader@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This does not feel like a shitpost. Where is c/comics?

[-] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I usually have good luck complimenting its nice rack

[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just gently fiddle your fingers around her rack a couple times and she'll get back on track.

[-] Chives@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 5 points 1 year ago

Seems about right.

I also treat the other server admins the same way.

[-] zerotime@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I should hire a psychologist for my server.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We all love you buddy💖

[-] Xeelee@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I funny get it. Are you trying to say that's not how it works?

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