Is this a "the right can't meme" thing? Liberals are opposed to the current Russia-ukraine war and Israeli-palestine war and are currently supporting the newest civil rights movement.
Nah I think it's just the same snake-in-the-grass right wing propaganda bullshit that infects every leftist space online to sow complacency and disempower us with apathy by trying to convince us that the comparative left-ish-leaning party is the same or worse than the right so as to maintain the hold on power the right has. It's bullshit anti-leftist wolf-in-sheep's-clothing rhetoric. Same as it always was.
Edit: typos.
I don't know OP, or the OOP, but I read this as criticizing liberals from the left which is something many leftists engage in all the time, I know I do
(Before I type all of this, important caveat: I am only going to be using "liberal" in the American context, meaning a milquetoast democrat. Save all of your "bUt AcTuAlLy ClAsSiCaL lIbErAlIsM" for where it's actually fucking relevant; don't bring that shit to me)
Yes, but you do it mostly because you've been taken in by these wolves. Obviously critique and push actual leftism on liberals and Democrats, but the leftism tribalism absolutely benefits the right.
Liberals aren't leftists and we shouldn't be complacent and settle for the liberal Democrat platform, but we also have to acknowledge that given the options the Democrats are absolutely the current harm-reductive choice. And importantly, unlike the fucking chudshits on the right, liberals are the demographic that can actually be reasoned with, educated, and brought into the light.
Anyone trying to tell you associating with or attempting to convert liberals is a waste of time is somebody who is only interested in stifling leftist growth.
You don't have to agree with them, but conflating them with the wastes of flesh on the right is disingenuous as fuck as absolutely motivated by agenda, either intentionally or unintentionally as matter of coercion.
Exactly there's leftists in America but no left political power, and you can't win as a leftist because it's like, "oh you don't support the government that supports a fascist genocide? Well that's how we get a fascist government!" When liberals shame leftists, who they probably agree with on every issue, for the failures of the Democrat party, I consider that more of a confession. Shaming your political allies for not being hypocritical enough rather than the party that doesn't deliver is a pathetic position to be in.
The left isn't stupid and understands strategic voting and the current state of US politics. Liberals are so quick to be condescending and love to liberal-splain how "if you don't vote Democrat we get Trump" ad infinitum. As if leftists don't understand the most basic logic. A leftist might unhappily vote Democrat out of pure strategic interest vs a liberal might take grandiose pride in their Democrat vote.
That's how I took this, yes.
It's hard to not make fun of liberals from the left, but I find a lot of my generation are liberals by default and friendly to more leftist viewpoints. The left has little to no representation so I don't blame people for not being exposed to it. My parent's generation is a lost cause because of cold war propaganda, and the most staunch liberals I know are well-to-do genx.
When I was young I thought liberal was just "not right wing" or just the morally correct political position. It took some more life experience to understand what the liberal attitude and mindset really was.
The original sin of the left is rejecting liberalism, because liberalism is the key to political agency. It's why socialist revolutions never escape their dictatorship.
They'll downvote because this message is a threat to campists. But at the end of the day, the way forward is liberal socialism.
You may be right, but I was giving OOP even less credit, assuming this was someone on the right making a bullshit, obvious strawman with others on the right as the intended audience, knowing that any semblance of accuracy didn't matter in the slightest. They don't care if it's obvious nonsense, if it makes them feel good to repeat it, that's all that matters.
I'm guessing they mean liberal in the classical sense and not liberal in the liberal/conservative meaning of the current US political parties.
They're talking about the current wars and the current civil rights movements, so that wouldn't make sense anyway.
"Whigs sure hate Instagram".
Liberals have come down hard in uncritical support of the nazi militias in Ukraine and on the Israeli side of the Palestinian struggle for freedom. Both are the pro-war stances.
Liberals have been against the Russian invasion from day one, and Russia is driving that war.
Most people have been ignorant of the Israel and Palestine conflicts until recently, and most western media glorifies the IDF because it's a stabilizing democratic force in a notoriously anti-west region, but liberals are all upset with the current Palestinian genocide.
There are liberal pro-Palestinian anti-hamas civil rights movement right now.
Liberals have been against the Russian invasion from day one, and Russia is driving that war.
The Ukrainian Nazi militias (Combat 18, Azov and so on) have been terrorizing the Russians and Roma and Jews for years prior with funding from the Ukrainian ministry of interior. Which is why the Russians in Donbas rebelled. Russia then came to their aid.
the IDF [is] a stabilizing democratic force in a notoriously anti-west region
No, the IOF is an army enforcing Apartheid and furthering Palestinian genocide.
Youre the exact kind of lib the meme is talking about.
I'm against both current wars and for the current civil rights movements, so you're 0 for 3 there.
By your logic, you're the lib the meme is talking about.
Your Russian propaganda is b*******, russia invaded and tried to annex the rest of Ukraine the same way that they annexed Crimea because Putin is a cowardly, greedy dictator.
And you're just agreeing with me about the IDF, so thanks, I guess.
Right the history of that region began when Russia attacked. Ukrainians and Russians were living peacefully together when all of a sudden using nothing but sheer evil Dark Lord Putin manifested a whole separatist movement and army just to have an excuse for his invasion.
Edit: also I'm saying the IOF is a genocidal army enforcing apartheid, you're saying its a stabilizing Democratic force, how are we agreeing here??
You're close about Putin using a baseless pretense to invade and steal further territory from Ukraine, wrong about the Russian-Ukrainian peacetime relationship, and you haven't mentioned that putin also disarmed Ukraine in a nuclear anti-arms treaty to ensure ukraine couldn't fight back before putin broke the treaty, annexed crimea and then invaded a second time when nobody stood up to him the first time.
But hey, you got the names correct. Mostly.
Two, You're agreeing with me about the IDF because I condemned the Palestinian genocide by the IDF. You, then, ostensibly condemned the Palestinian genocide.
This part might be difficult for you to follow, but if you condemn the same thing I already condemned, you are agreeing with me.
Lol the one person that gets the post is downvoted.
Hey libs, we're talking about you wanting to send hundreds of billions of dollars to literal Nazis that we helped move into power by overthrowing Ukraine's government.
If someone was opposed to a war they wouldn't want to contribute to it. I don't see anyone saying they want to fight or bomb Israel but lots of people do want to fight and bomb Russia.
Liberals don't want to contribute to the wars, they're against both the Russian invasion and the IDF atrocities, as well as the hamas atrocities.
The difference between Israel and Russia is that Israel is responding to a terrorist attack in a horrific way with 70 years of animosity and attacks behind their retaliation, while Russia is breaking treaties and trying to invade and steal a country that they have already stolen part of back in 2014.
While liberals are calling out for Israel to pull back and stop the atrocities, they're content at watching Ukraine kick Russia's ass for the illegal russian invasion and attempted second annexation of Ukrainian territory.
These are not the same situations at all.
That's just the same thing in more paragraphs. Unless you want to stop the contribution of money and weapons to Ukraine you are in support of the war. Nowhere did I say that's a bad thing by the way, I just like things to be accurate and I've been watching the meaning of "anti war" turn into a meaningless label that people feel like they need to put on themselves to be a good person.
If you like accuracy, you must be furious at yourself.
You're being deliberately vague, disingenuous and narrow-minded.
You're arguing for any country that is illegally invaded by a superior military force to just give up their country.
Placation is not the way to stop wars, promoting illegal invasion and annexation actively causes more wars. So does not doing anything.
Russia already illegally invaded and stole territory in 2014 and is now doing it again because nobody stopped them.
You're arguing that we should just let any country invade and steal territory.
You are wrong fundamentally and on the specifics.
It's almost like one must examine and consider each conflict individually.
I oppose war. I don't oppose defending oneself. I don't oppose helping somebody defend themselves.
What is opposing a war?
People call themselves war opponents when they oppose invading Vietnam, which is good.
People also call themselves war opponents when they oppose Ukraine defending itself, which is bad. They support Russia invading Ukraine. They support wars except the ones when the US is invading.
nobody opposes to Ukraine defending itself.
Anti-War stance involves opposing Russia for invading Ukraine along with blood thirsty neoliberals like Victoria nuland who will sacrifice Ukrainian people to advance US strategic interest. They want this war to go on as long as they can make it go on. no price is too small.
No one buys what you're selling. Russia can end the war today, but they won't, because they're run by a literally evil kleptocratic dictator.
They want this war to go on as long as they can make it go on. no price is too small.
Bullshit. Russia can end this war tomorrow by respecting the treaties it signed with Ukraine.
The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other.
Russia invaded. Russia can leave. Otherwise Ukraine has every right to defend itself and it's allies are wise to arm it.
You can see this all the time with Hollywood liberal values. All the gay stereotyping and jokes through the 90s then all of a sudden they're patting themselves on the back for being the arbiters of social progress.
I read new republic and nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, i've memorized lerner and golden
I feel like i'm almost a jew
But when it comes to times like korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, i'm a liberal
It reads a lot different if you're familiar with Gourevitch's writing, especially on the Rwandan genocide. "We Wish to Inform you that Tomorrow we Will be Killed with our Families." Read it if you haven't already.
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