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[-] cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz 85 points 11 months ago

Bethesda also released a game where you get minus to intelligence, willpower and personality for being a black man.

But they were better at stabbing people

[-] _danny@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

What game is this? It sounds so messed up.

[-] TheOgreChef@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

I don’t know if it’s the same stat buffs/debuffs across all the Elder Scrolls games, but the one OP was likely talking about was the Redguard race in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (stat sheet here). And yes, it was pretty messed up.

[-] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 12 points 11 months ago

But Nords have identical buffs/debuffs according to that sheet.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 11 months ago

Oh, it gets better.

They're not the same species as the Nordic humans.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The "whites" in this game are the imperial, nordic have the same debuffs in willpower and intelligence.

Edit, with the exceptions of nordic women...

For some reason the race distinction doesn't bother me as much as the gender one. What the fuck

[-] cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah the sex ones are more odd... When you chose race and sex I think they don' give you the stats at all, they just mention in text what a race is better at. They don't mention there being gender differences or those differences differing between races at all.

I feel a bit cheated tbh

[-] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 13 points 11 months ago

Redguards are from Yokuda, Nords are from Atmora, Imperials come from the Nedes and Bretons are a Nede/Aldmer mix. Each human race has a distinct origin, what's controversial about that? They're 'human' in the sense that they're not Mer or Beastfolk.

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

They don't come from the same gods because they're from a different Kalpa. Stop trying to create drama.

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[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 17 points 11 months ago

lore accurate

/s ←←←

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Why are you lying? Bretons, Imperials and High Elves get a plus to magic abilities (Int, Wil), as befitting their lore of magic casters. Nords and Redguards get a plus to fighting abilities, as befitting their warrior origins.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

There is more than one Elder Scrolls game... Morrowind has base attributes of 40 with different races having higher and lower values from base. Redguard in Morrowind have lower int and will than average, and compared to women male Redguard also have lower personality but higher strength.

[-] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 50 points 11 months ago
[-] moonsnotreal 35 points 11 months ago
[-] brandon@lemmy.ml 27 points 11 months ago

Well, butter my butt and call me a biscuit

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

🧈 🍑 Biscuit.

[-] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah u gotta do that on your own

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[-] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

I can't feel my legs!

[-] PrMinisterGR@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

He dates you

[-] bastian_5@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Hence why the meme says bi and not pan

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[-] _danny@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

Kinda glosses over how these perks add a couple dozen extra dialogue options, many of which are unique ways to solve a problem.

Honestly my favorite type of rpg "perk", one that gives a slight gameplay boost but also affects the story and/or dialogue in a meaningful way.

Having 25% more "luck" is cool and all, but I'd choose a perk that gave me 5% more luck and more ways to solve problems any day of the week.

It's one of the reasons I loved Prey. It seemed like every perk you got added new ways to get around, dialogue, and/or new combat techniques.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago

Glad I'm not the only one who thought prey was good

[-] _danny@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The lack of praise that game got is practically criminal

[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

I was so happy when I saw special dialogue options return in Starfield and so disappointed when I realized that they were pretty much pointless

[-] addie@feddit.uk 30 points 11 months ago

Hey! Perks that actually (a) trigger when intended, and aren't bugged out (b) do something actually useful - are quite unusual in Fallout; there's plenty of them that are just a trap for the unwary to waste their slots on.

I'd also nominate the 'lady killer / cherchez la femme' perk as being one of those traps; the vast majority of the enemies you have to kill are male, and certainly all the ones who are difficult. It gives a few interesting dialogue options, but there's more effective perk choices.

[-] threegnomes 15 points 11 months ago

im never gonna not choose wild wasteland

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[-] Klear@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

The game's not so hard you'd need to sacrifice some interesting dialogue to get a more optimal build unless you really suck.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

Then in the next one they force you into a cishet sob story about your kid.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

How do you know they're cis

[-] bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago
[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

No cis perk either I guess

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[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I haven't played the game but still know what you're referring to because of Hbomberguy's long-ass video essay on it lol

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[-] toxicbubble420@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

i just started a playthrough with both male/female seduction, checks out

[-] MartinXYZ@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

What is this referring to? I've played New Vegas and don't remember anything about bisexuals...

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 49 points 11 months ago

(this is an outsider's understanding; I have not played the game myself)

There are two perks you can get in the game: "Lady Killer", which grants a charisma buff (or something like that) when talking to female characters, and also allows you to do +10% damage to female characters. "Black Widow" grants the same charisma (or whatever) when talking to male characters, and the same +10% damage to male characters. It's possible to get both of these perks at the same time.

It is my understanding that the previous game, Fallout 3, prevented anything but heteronormative interactions ie to romance a female NPC the player had to choose a male character, etc. To quote hbomberguy, "It implies that Bethesda doesn't think gay people exist." By contrast, New Vegas allows any character to take either of the above perks, or both at the same time, allowing one to roleplay as a gay or bisexual character to an admittedly tiny degree.

[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 30 points 11 months ago

Small addendum, it's not quite a Charisma buff. Instead, you sometimes get special dialogue related to your perks which looks like this:

[Confirmed Bachelor] "Why yes, I also like to play 'hide the snake'"

[Barter] "I'm not gay, but 20 caps is 20 caps"

"Sorry, not interested"

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

One of the companions has a super high science/medicine skill requirement or a quest before you can recruit him.

Unless you're gay, in which case you just flirt with him and he agrees to join you. It's pretty great.

[-] SpooksMcDoots@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure he will also take pity on you if you have low intelligence.

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[-] reeen@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

And also, it's confirmed bachelor and lady killer for men interacting with other men and with women, and cherchez la femme and black widow for female PCs against women and men (respectively)

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I especially love the BLATEN RASICM perk being in the same dlc as Joshua Graham.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

this is also true in real life.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

It's hard to not play a female in Skyrim, just cuz the Dibela buff you can get very early on.

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