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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago

Lol, as if terms of service for something freely available on the internet that doesn't require an account to use mean anything at all. Stop huffing your own farts, Google.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 8 points 11 months ago

Google cares a lot more about me watching ads than I care about watching YouTube.

With that being said, I've only encountered the "Ad blockers violate YouTube's terms of service" screen once, and when I refreshed it was gone

[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago

I've been with Firefox since the start and it's going well. I tried the others to see what's up but they never satisfied me. I'm a Firefox user all the way.

Mandatory: FUCK REDDiT!!!

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 6 points 11 months ago

Same for the most part, but I will say I tried using Firefox on the Macbook Pro I used when I was working on my masters, and it was an absolute memory hog. I noticed during my tenure on r/firefox that most of the posts complaining about sluggishness or consuming massive amounts of memory came from Mac OS users, so I feel like I wasn't alone.

[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

I never used an apple computer for my personal use so can't say much about performance issues because in the limited time I had to use them I was using safari because I couldn't be bothered to do anything extra. In my humble opinion I do believe there can be issues because Mozilla doesn't have the best record for optimizations for platforms. But it seems they are doing a better job lately because when I use Firefox on Linux or windows I barely notice anything.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, absolutely! Firefox on Linux and Windows has never been a problem for me. The only problem I had on Linux is the flatpak version gets stuttery when I want to stream from sites of questionable repute, which I could probably fix if I weren't too lazy to troubleshoot it.

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[-] boomzilla@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I know that it's an herculean task with millions of workhours to build a browser from scratch with all engines JS (SpiderMonkey), CSS (Quantum) and HTML (Gecko) and we can be lucky to have Firefox. I use the very performant version on Android every day and especially appreciate that Dark Reader and uBlock Origin work.

May I have a minute to talk to you about our saviour Vivaldi?

If no other browser could satisfy you, you either haven't tried Vivaldi, you haven't tried it long enough or you tried an old version.

For me no other browser comes close regarding the IMO most important feature of browsers (beside supporting the essential web-standards): tab management. Stacking, tiling, hibernating, pinning and more recently the fantastic workspace-feature.

That's only on the tab-front. How about: built in tracker- & ad-blocker, built in dark website-mode, translator, email-client, rss reader, note-app, reading-list, user definable search-engines, page screenshots, appify websites into sidebar and another killer feature: press F2 for a combined command-window and search-everywhere popup.

The next best thing after the year of the Linux Desktop would be if Vivaldi and Firefox joined forces and Vivaldi would switch to Firefox's engines.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Edge does nearly all those things now too. Edge and Vivaldi are both closed source and yet another Chromium under the hood.

I'll pass ty.

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago

Just so you know, Piped.video is also an option. And you can import your subscription feed from YouTube.

[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago

I prefer Freetube and Newpipe as those don't depend on some server (aside from youtube servers duh)

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

The cool thing about Piped is that it serves as a proxy, so you don't connect to YouTube directly

[-] slampisko@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

~~Newpipe uses piped as a backend~~ this is false, it was LibreTube I was thinking of

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

You might be confusing it with Libretube

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[-] avater@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah for sure you should have ditched chrome (or chrome based browsers) years ago imho, but you do realize that this can happen on firefox too, right?

easy fix: just update the ublock quick list in the settings of the addon.

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 14 points 11 months ago

I've already gone to the next step.

Youtube clients that block ads.

Gotta stay a step ahead.

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[-] nfsu2@feddit.cl 11 points 11 months ago

Doesn't uBlock still work great with Youtube? Even then there is Peertube, Piped and the many apps that use Piped in different platforms anyway.

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[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Use LibreWolf, it's essentially Firefox on steroids. It removes all the bloat like Pocket or Sponsored sites, it adds significant privacy benefits and comes with uBlock Origin preinstalled.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

I have seen so many inbuilt ad blockers of browsers fail, especially at YouTube, even before the recent changes, that I was surprised to see them still being used and promoted by eg. Louis Rossmann.
IMO basically nothing can beat addons, at least if seen for all browsers or just firefox.
Browser devs can't focus on ad blocking functionality. And their team developing ad blockers will certainly be smaller than the team of devs for adblock addons; the browser just needs somewhat functional stuff while the addon depends on delivering a very good to perfect to be used and to receive donations.
On chromium, with Manifest V3 at our doors, built in ad blockers will win over addons by far, just because they have more power.

This creates an interesting situation, at least in my mind fed by my bubble:
Tech nerds will use firefox, probably with adblock addon
Tech illiterates will use whatever comes preinstalled - Edge, without any adblock
Users that know the concept of browsers will probably use Chrome, or other browsers they heard before - possibly a Chromium browser with built in blocker

Now, what happens if the built in blockers fail - again and again and again? Will the somewhat knowledgeable user care and switch to another browser, maybe the one pushed the most for adblocking: FF with uBlock?

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Tech nerds will use firefox, probably with adblock addon

Adblock isn't a real issue because every browser has it. The real issue is all the other cool extensions available from Chromium-based browsers.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago

I use 27 addons on my desktop, in firefox. There are no extensions I would need but don't exist for firefox. The only extension I had to replace with a Tampermonkey script was Vencord, because the devs removed the firefox version of it.

And on my phone I use 12 addons. On chrome, or any other browser not based on FF, I could use exactly none.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

27 addons? Might as well disable Resist Fingerprinting, then.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

I know what you're saying, because having that many addons makes them unique, but doesn't resist fingerprinting still help somewhat?

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

It does a few things here and there that can still be useful, true.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

In my understanding, a website should only be able to detect addons if they directly change the website in any way, eg. the css or html. So let's just go through the list and check:

  • Augmented Steam: Only affects steam, where I'm logged in anyway.
  • Auto replay for YouTube: I'm logged in anyway, and mostly use some piped instance.
  • Buster: Captcha Solver: I guess it just uses JavaScript to click whatever it needs to. And if changes would be detected, the captcha would probably not let me through anyway.
  • Clean twitter: I don't use twitter. Yeet.
  • Dark reader: This is probably one of the only extensions actually changing the website significantly. So I'm one of a million users, if we assume my user agent is real.
  • DeArrow: Again, only YouTube.
  • Defund Wikipedia: I'm honestly not concerned about Wikipedia fingerprinting me.
  • Disable Youtube seek my numbers: You know the drill.
  • DDG privacy essentials: 1.6 million users, and I would be surprised if an extension designed to protect from fingerprinting is easily fingerprintable itself.
  • I don't care about cookies: (Because I block them anyway) Also just simulates clicking.
  • Kagi search: Just adds a new menu and changes the default search engine.
  • Karrinator: Only changes the name of a German politician. And I basically never see her name anyway, and if so either only on Lemmy, (reputable) Newspapers or the official website of the German Government. They have my fingerprint anyway, and it's the only definition they know.
  • KeePassXC: Again, only inserts and clicks.
  • NoScript: Is ironically probably the best way to fingerprint, if it's configured incorrectly and a fingerprinting script is still allowed.
  • Return Youtube Dislike: You know.
  • Shortkeys: Browser only.
  • Simple Tab Groups: Browser only.
  • Simple modify headers: Should not change anything that would be possible for the website to check, and is only activated for discord anyway.
  • SponsorBlock: Youtube again.
  • Tampermonkey: Only has one script for discord.
  • uBlock: Should block fingerprinting, or the main use of it, but even if not its behavior is probably very similar to other AdBlockers and there are more than 7 million users (just on FF).
  • UnloadTabs: Browser only.
  • User-Agent Switcher and Manager: Should not be transparent to websites.
  • Vencord Web: Now absolete as it was dicontinued for FF natively. Yeet. It's a Tampermonkey script now, and only active on discord.
  • Video DownloadHelper: Should only read contents, and only if I want it to. yt-dlp is often better anyway.
[-] tenacious_mucus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah…that’s why I switched from FF to Chrome a few years ago. I was tired of whatever extension it was that i needed or wanted at the time being only on Chrome. Of course, i’m back on FF now and it seems to be much better for what i need, so that’s good.

[-] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

If you're ever aching for a chrome extension try out waterfox, it's based on Firefox but also allows the use of some chrome extensions, the list of useable extensions used to be bigger, but it's growing again thanks to the original dev getting the browser independent again and re-opening it's development

[-] RoseRose56@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I have been using Firefox since 2016-17! I had Chrome but the interface became ugly? Then I got Firefox, I liked the interface and the pockets extension, let's me same links online if I want.

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