Any change today? : RedditMigration

[-] Arotrios@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

@Bendersmember Content generation has slowed and from what I can tell, comment participation is way down. Right now, after going through and subscribing to a number of magazines, my kbin feed is more useful and active than reddit ever was, although the audience is clearly smaller (but seriously growing since last week). The quality of the content is better, and it's much easier to filter out the shitposting.

The clearest place to see content drought this is in /r/all - the top posts are all 3 - 15 hours old. Before the blackout, it would refresh in a matter of minutes, not hours.

[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

That's kinda what I figured, didn't expect it to be a ghost town, so that makes sense.
I could tell by the loud users declaring that Reddit is gonna be better and everyone else were just whiners that content would slow down quite a bit. Didn't get a vibe of those types putting out engaging content haha.

[-] Jcb2016@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Plus its the weeked espeically 4th of july weekend. the content creators are probably having a vacation!

[-] athos77@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

One thing I'd point out is that it's a holiday weekend in the US, one of the traditional weekends for going out and doing stuff with family or friends. So some of the slowdown may be related to that.

[-] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I would agree if 1/4 of the country wasn't covered in a fog equivalent to smoking a pack of cigarettes while another 1/4 is getting 115F temps. We had to wear masks a couple days ago... outside. When the 80 year old weatherman-for-life on the news says he's never seen anything like this, you know it's bad. I wasn't paying attention to the weather and was confused a week ago when I went outside and everything smelled like a delightful campfire but there was no visible smoke.

And folks aren't at the stores. I had to grab a few 4th of July things today and went to Costco and Target. I was 1 of maybe 10 people in both. On a normal Saturday, even during rainstorms and blizzards, there are usually 15-20 minute lines at checkout with all registers open. I walked right up to the register and only half were open.

So people are either traveling or stuck inside, both prime mobile Reddit conditions.

[-] brege@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of gratuitous rounding going on in this comment but I'd be lying if I said it didn't sufficiently illuminate a path to such a good point

[-] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Haha, yeah, maaaaybe a I was a teensy, tiny bit hyperbolic with the numbers, but I did check the weather map to make sure it wasn't too far out there. But, in my defense, do we really count the Dakotas, Montana, and Idaho? We all know they don't exist and are simply giant holes that reach down to the core of the Earth. That removes a big chunk of area from the total size.

[-] XGC75@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Heh, I feel like I was more active on Reddit during family gatherings...

[-] DoucheAsaurus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That is true but I would like to point out that lemmy.world just grew by 40% in the last 12 hours.

https://lemmy.world/post/920949

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

These growth rates for reddit alternatives are insane. I love it.

[-] density@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

who else is impressed about the general stability of all the services?

I was totally expecting everything to be down half the time due to sudden unexpected skyrocket demand over past few weeks. But it has been 98% good. About the same as reddit.

[-] Phlogiston@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I thought I’d be checking to see if it was still running, a burning crater, or unaffected (nobody left Reddit). I’m happy to see an uptick in conversation.

[-] UnhappyCamper@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's a holiday weekend in Canada as well.

[+] BettyWhiteInHD@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

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[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

You better tell the mods to delete a good portion of the posts and this entire magazine then... I think it's perfectly normal question to ask and be curious about, if you don't want to hear about Reddit maybe don't sub to this magazine and contribute to the conversation about it?

[-] DougHolland@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actually, yeah, I have asked my friends how the girlfriend who dumped me is doing. Caring isn't something you can click on and off like a light switch.

[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Thanks, you said it better than I could.

[-] Gull@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Caring might be something that your girlfriend can click off like a light switch

[-] density@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Good to see that there are lots of dumb people here too.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Where do you think you are?

[-] Calcharger@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

If you're waiting for spez to admit how wrong he was and blah blah, don't. All he cares about is his payday when the site goes public. He'll never admit his decision was wrong because he'll get booted as CEO

[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

I don't expect anything positive to come out of Reddit after the direction they chose to go. Spez has proven who he is and what's important to him and that won't change. I was just curious as to what effect no 3rd party apps was having on the user experience, since they kept saying it's only 10% and that they didn't care and wouldn't be noticed.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Their valuation went from 15bil to 5bil and I fully expect it will be halved again before they, if ever, actually IPO. Reddit already wasn't worth what Spez thought it was and this whole situation is just showing investors it's worth even less if the user base can revolt in the way that it has.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

If you read that article, they said that most of the valuation loss came before the protests were even a thing.

[-] Moogly@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I don’t think they can ipo until a lot of the current staff has been replaced, Huffman included. Some of these dudes been around the company for too long and been involved in too many of reddits old scandals. Only so many pedos and child sex traffickers can come through your offices before the shit begins to get residue everywhere

If the public took a closer look at Reddit leadership I think it would only fuck their ipo.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/ex-reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-knew-ghislaine-maxwell-allegations/amp/

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I disagree with this a little bit. Reddit as a whole had huge value from its content by the users, otherwise it wouldn't be found at the top of Google searches, used for AI training, and have investors and advertisers interested in the traffic. It had a lot of crap too over time, and the bot and other infiltration didn't help things. Was it worth 15b, I don't know, but the simple act of blacking out even a few major subs certainly did make some ripples for having small value.

[-] JahInfinity@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That is why when Apollo stopped working, I logged in one last time to grab all my “content”, edit everything to say “this content has been deleted by the user in protest for Reddit’s API price changes.” Then deleted everything and left.

Just one user but it was content I created so I get to bring it with me.

Any way, Hi everyone and thank you for this cool place!

[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I find it strange that today is the first day I haven't seen any links to articles about Reddit, maybe online news sites are taking the day off haha.maybe they're just waiting to have actual data before reporting, again surprising if true.

[-] Gull@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

this whole situation is just showing investors it's worth even less if the user base can revolt in the way that it has.

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

[-] Moogly@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

If you're waiting for spez to admit how wrong he was and blah blah, don't.

i think he will, except it’ll be in some backhanded way where he frames himself as a victim. He can’t help himself when it comes to the victimization stuff like how he criticized third party apps for being more profitable than actual Reddit which is just pathetic from an investing standpoint

I think Huffman is very weak as a CEO and consistently misses the mark so he’ll be whining again sooner or later for sure

[-] alternative_factor@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I feel like the ratio of right-wingers to left-wingers on Reddit has increased in the favor of right-wingers as most Lemmies/Kbin/etc are at the very least left-leaning. Lots of really unhinged shit about immigrants was being upvoted in a thread about AfD on a smaller world news sub. Maybe Euros are just losing it but I feel like it's noticeable.

[-] Gull@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Right-wing Europeans have trolled Reddit for so many years I can't even remember.

[-] finebushlane@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I’ve stopped using Reddit since the Apollo shutdown and am just on kbin now!

[-] Wisely@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Apollo is the only way I have ever used Reddit for all these years. If it's dead it's the same as if Reddit is dead to me. I don't even know my login info and don't have that email anymore.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't know, haven't been on Reddit.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It can take a long time for a giant to fall.

[-] Anabella@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly, just look at twitter.

[-] brianshatchet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Some modifications to modmail broke toolbox and the toolbox creators have (mostly) checked out. So that's fun.

[-] BeHereNow@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Show as 'not available' for me. Guess reddit is dead. RIP reddit.

[-] mutant@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Time will tell if there's any difference due to people leaving. I think the reason I find it interesting and others do as well is because we aren't given any hard data on the actual amount of users left, how many decided to stay and only lurk going forward, how much of the user base were heavy contributors etc. The pushback also was adamant that there would be zero change, and if they're right then they're right, not going to hurt my feelings.
While I think it sucks that they chose to go the direction they went, which with how much I hate ads forced my hand to walk away, I'm not upset and deeply affected to my core, I know Reddit will keep chugging along without me.
Whole point of this post was to discuss the changes that happened due to us leaving and if they were noticeable.

[-] Moogly@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I’m pretty upset over it but less about the third party apps but more that it feels like part of a larger theme: our open discussion mediums are under consistent errosion. Twitter has become a shitshow, reddit will flounder however it can to monetize users to attract investors, and most people that care about communication at large lack the money or means to provide a fleshed out service.

Reddit is still accessible for most so this change isn’t like on the order of recent Twitter changes, or some of the Facebook shit from like 2015ish. It just feels like these massive communities are both important but also impossible to maintain and preserve properly in the current digital/market landscape

[-] Bendersmember@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It just feels like these massive communities are both important but also impossible to maintain and preserve properly in the current digital/market landscape
Unfortunately we don't know if it's impossible since we don't see many companies trying. Most companies are going downhill due to shareholders, then we have Reddit which doesn't even have them yet but still ruining things to prove to them they're willing to play ball.
Of all the major companies I'm aware of I think that Costco is the only one I haven't heard horror stories about in the past year. Amazing that so many companies employ pr, yet I can only think of one with somewhat good public perception.

[-] Moogly@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The users most affected are the ones most likely to post or curate content. One of those users is more important than a hundred lurkers. So I figure if there’s an effect it’ll be from losing disproportionately valuable OC creators.

I’ve posted so much content across accounts in the realm of a couple million karma in total. It’s not the first time I’ve reflected on content with 20k+ views and figured this benefit is going both ways with Reddit.

If I’ve been as addicted to Reddit as I’ve been for years and I’m still willing to find alternatives I figure there must be some other power users like me. Idk if it’ll actually have any effect but I think it may on at least some smaller communities

[-] HiHungryImDad@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

/spez…is that you?

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

They're not wrong. There's a few hundred thousand active users here. There are 10s of millions on Reddit.

Most Reddit users straight up do not care about the API, or 3rd party apps, or the shitty management of the site. They want their memes, and their niche communities, and their quirky Reddit shit posting, and all of that is still right there.

Users will leave gradually as the ads get more intrusive, and as development moves towards more psychologically manipulative features, and as Reddit cuts costs.

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