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Barack Obama: “For elevator music, AI is going to work fine. Music like Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder, that's different”::Barack Obama has weighed in on AI’s impact on music creation in a new interview, saying, “For elevator music, AI is going to work fine”.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 198 points 10 months ago

why do i care what obama feels about either of these

[-] ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone 73 points 10 months ago

I very rarely care for what most 62 year olds have to say about the capabilities about the theoretical limits of computation.

This isn't much different.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

If the 62 year old had studied computer science and had specialized in AI, I would listen closely to them.

But I definitely not care about a politician that has no idea about technology.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

I mean — he’s defending human creativity and he’s kind of right. AI can recreate variations of the things it is trained on, but it doesn’t create new paradigms.

[-] Sprokes@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago

People always says AI do create only variations but many successful TV shows are variations. I started watching sitcoms from the 70s and many things were copied/adapted in recent shows.

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[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah, also I think there is something about the human connection and communicating personal ideas and feelings that just isn't there with AI generated art. I could see a case for an argument that a lot of music today is recorded by artists who didn't write that music, and that they are expressing their own feelings through their performance of someone else's creation. And is it really all that different if an AI wrote something that resonated with an artist who ultimately performed it? Which for a good chunk of pop-culture regurgitations may be completely valid. But in my opinion, the best art, communicates emotion, which an experience unique to biology, AI might be able to approximate it, and sure there's a human prompting the AI who might genuinely have those feelings, but there's a hollowness to it that I struggle to ignore. But maybe I'm just getting older and will be yelling at clouds before long.

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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

If he got super wild and crazy by wearing a tan suit again to work would you?

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 114 points 10 months ago

...so I've been on a shit load of elevators, and I don't recall a single one of them having music. For as common a trope as it is, you'd think elevator music would be more common in actual elevators.

[-] GrapesOfAss@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago

It's like porn, they all used to have music, and now people still make jokes about how bad it was but it's just gone now

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Elevators used to have porn? :o /s

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's not as common as it used to be, but I think the point was kind of that you're not supposed to notice it?

Look into "muzak" (the style of music. Apparently it's also a brand according to Google), and some of Brian Eno's ambient albums like "Music for Airports" (which is definitely a bit more sparse than elevator music, which was often like smooth jazz versions of classic songs), but along similar lines.

I don't like to think I'm that old, and I 100% remember elevator music.

Edit: was possibly thinking of "musique concrete" rather than muzak.

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[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 58 points 10 months ago

There is no way this ages well.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think the statement was more about the impact, which will depend on each person's subjective experience

Personally I agree. Even if AI could produce identical work, the impact would be lessened. Art is more meaningful when you know it took time and was an expression/interpretation by another human (rather than a pattern prediction algorithm Frankenstein-ing existing work together). Combine that with the volume of AI content that's produced, and the impact of any particular song/art piece is even more limited.

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd say art is more meaningful when it's a unique experience. It's like those myths about glassmakers being ~~killed~~ blinded after the cathedral is finnished so that no one can replicate the glass color... without the killing.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

As someone who is doing software engineering and my company jumped on AI bandwagon and got us GitHub Copilot. After using it for a while I think overall experience is actually net negative. Yes, sometimes it gets things right, sometimes it provides a correct solution, but often I can write much more concise code. Many times it provides code that looks like it is correct, but after looking in more detail it actually is wrong. So now I'm need to be in guard what code it inserts, which kills all the time that it supposedly saved me. It makes things harder because the code does look like it might work.

It is like pair programming with a complete moron that is very good at picking patterns and trying to use them in following code. So if you do a lot of copy and paste I think it will help.

I think this technology can make bad programmers suck less at programming. I think the LLM problem is that it was trained with existing works and the way it works is that its goal is to convince other human that the result was created by another one, but it isn't capable to do any actual reasoning.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wow, my experience has been pretty much the exact opposite of this. Copilot is amazing and I'd rather not go without it ever again

Edit: for the life of me I'll never understand people. This comment got a bunch of downvotes and yet some douchebag who blindly accuses me of being bad at my job gets upvoted. Fuck people.

[-] jackie_jormp_jomp@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Maybe you aren't that good at writing code

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What language you program in and what kind of code you develop? Before Copilot were you frequently searching answers on stackoverflow?

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don’t know. I think Obama kind of nailed it. AI can create boring and mediocre elaborations just fine. But for the truly special and original? It could never.

For the new and special, humans will always be required. End of line.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

At this point I want a calendar of at what date people say "AI could never" - like "AI could never explain why a joke it's never seen before is funny" (such as March 2019) - and at what date it happens (in that case April 2022).

(That "explaining the joke" bit is actually what prompted Hinton to quit and switch to worrying about AGI sooner than expected.)

I'd be wary of betting against neural networks, especially if you only have a casual understanding of them.

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[-] Knusper@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago

I think, it will eventually become obsolete, because we keep changing what 'AI' means, but current AI largely just regurgitates patterns, it doesn't yet have a way of 'listening' to a song and actually judging whether it's good or bad.

So, it may expertly regurgitate the pattern that makes up a good song, but humans spend a lot of time listening to perfect every little aspect before something becomes an excellent song, and I feel like that will be lost on the pattern regurgitating machine, if it's forced to deviate from what a human composed.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

But do we really need AI to generate art?

Why can't AI be used to automate useful work nobody wants to do, instead of being a way for capital to automate skilled labor out of high-paying jobs?

[-] notapantsday@feddit.de 20 points 10 months ago

Because AI is unpredictable. Which is not a big issue for art, because you can immediately see any flaws and if you can't, it doesn't matter.

But for actually useful work, you don't want to find out that the AI programmer completely made up a few lines of code that are only causing problems when the airplane is flying with a 32° bank angle on a saturday with a prime number for a date.

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[-] remus989@sh.itjust.works 43 points 10 months ago

Do people actually care what Obama has to say about AI? I'm just having a hard time seeing where his skillset overlaps with this topic.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Probably as much as I care about most other people's thoughts on AI. As someone that works in AI, 99% of the people making noise about it know fuck all about it, and are probably just as qualified as Barack Obama to have an opinion on it.

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[-] Water1053@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

Why would people think he knows anything about AI?

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago

Because we often look up to public figures for stuff they are not qualified to comment on.

[-] Inmate@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

If he's an unqualified bystander, then what the fuck are you?

I'm always surprised that the people with all the answers only share them with thirty other assholes on the Internet.

I'm confident a 14 year old can write their own AI, maybe even a smart 10 year old.

Here's instructions for kids:

https://youtu.be/XJ7HLz9VYz0?si=1QN3fqT03HSMufib

You think Obama can't wrap his head around a little algebra?

Why, when speaking intelligently and thoughtfully in the subject, is he so wrong in his assessment, when you, in one lazy sentence, are so right?

I'm really worried about would-be wise people just throwing in the towel cause they don't know how much better they could be with a little discipline, and settle for being clever here and there.

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[-] Inmate@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Because you can teach a teen to do it in two weeks. He was a constitutional law professor, as well as the first elected African-American president in the United States. I learned LLMs in a couple months and I never used a comp until 2021. Why are you gatekeeping?

[-] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

Using the end product and having any idea how it works are two VERY different things.

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[-] Inmate@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Why are you acting like it's at all difficult to understand?

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wow, a word from a global expert on AI, Barrack Obama. I hope he’s a bit better at it than he is at world peace!

[-] eronth@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

While reassuring for many to hear, that's only going to be true for so long. Eventually it's going to be real fucking good at making "real" music. We need to be preparing for those advancements rather than acting like they'll never come.

[-] IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I feel very reassured to hear that from the AI expert / musical virtuoso himself, 62 year old, former United States President Barack Obama.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Young people think all this AI stuff is great and older folks are suspicious. I think older folks are right this time.

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[-] trachemys@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Obama must not have heard There I Ruined It.

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[-] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

This thread is as much evidence of our failed educational system as is the entire state of Mississippi

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Old man doesn't understand how technology progresses. Tonight at 10pm.

[-] Inmate@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's hilarious to me that young people think "AI" is intelligent or good at what it does. It's a fucking toy. I've made my own little GANs and Markov chains and the are thousands of empty little parlor tricks we've invented to separate the young from their money.

I saw a thread where a few zoomers were going wild over an AI loli generated porn image that looked like an animal balloon, all oiled and shiny, vagina sideways, face of an eight year old smiling for a school photo, huge veiny cocks blasting gallons of cum onto a tiny kawaii face:

"Omg so fucking hot 🥵 I'm fucking diamonds!"

Your dumb ass will be listening to a "song" simulacrum constructed out of 100,000 product jingles and Max Martin B-sides, jacking off to deranging porn, having full blown emotional conversations with bots and crying when that bot's creator gets busted for CP.

Anyone listening to false music that's overly Fourier transformed, with impossible instrument voices and chords that make it unlistenable to actual musicians and then trying to make people feel ashamed for having a soul is just waving a massive red flag for everyone to see that says "I have no idea what it means to be a human with skin in the game".

That movie Demolition Man totally called it in the 90s btw that not only would you all be listening to commercial jingles all the time but defending them and singing their "lyrics" loudly.

Thank you for loudly identifying yourself as yet another Elon-like who thinks they know so much more than Barack fucking Obama. You and yourself should get a room and listen to that shit all day and see who you become. If you can't create your own, you kids will get the "art" you deserve and it will cost A LOT 😂

Following for the laughs!

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago
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[-] Loqzer@lemmings.world 18 points 10 months ago

Definitely need more people to tell me about ai and what it will be capable of. Make a daily show so that every shitty celebrity can tell us about ai, there might still be plenty of word combinations that haven't been used!

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 18 points 10 months ago

One of my jobs involved updating blogs for small businesses. I had a Shutterstock subscription for the images that goes along with these blog posts. For this task, I think AI generated images work a lot better than stock photography.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Elevator music as well as the mainstream music that majority of people listen to like pop etc.

That music is already very formulaic and almost as if it is generated by Ai.

[-] MrPoopyButthole@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

Already likely to be untrue, but honestly I'd happily sign up for a world wear "hold music" isn't the same 20sec loop of shit jazz

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[-] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

That actually might make elevator and phone hold music survivable - continual compositions that never repeat

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[-] brandon@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago
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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Can't imagine good art coming from something that's incapable of giving a shit about things.

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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

In before obligatory republican outrage and 24x7 media coverage explaining how this comment will doom democrats in 2024

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